--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7" <whynotnow7@...> wrote: > > masked zebra wrote: > RESPONSE: Not a single person in my lifetime has demonstrated > impeccably and infallibly that such a "ground of all being" even > exists. That is, if I am to go by his/her claim to become the embodiment of > such an irreducible level of reality. In fact, I would go further: I have not > observed a single person who even gives evidence that they have made contact > with such a fundamental form of reality. > > **The only person who can conclusively demonstrate it is you. Even then of > course, you can fool yourself.:-) All the teachers teach are pointers to > self realization. No one can give that to you. I look at it as reaching a > point of mental coordination, unifying the heart and intellect so that life > gets smoother. So far as I can tell, that is the big super pay off to initial > self-realization, budding enlightenment, life gets smoother. Still have to do > the same stuff, but it is easier. As to what one book or teacher refers to > that way of living doesn't matter. It's all based on experience anyway, so if > you want to call it blue cheese, please do. > > **I like to think of it as better coordination because coordination is based > on practice and use, vs. belief, so there is nothing to memorize or keep in > mind. Just a matter of coordination over time. The dawning of > self-realization is mechanical. > > For me the 'home of all the laws of nature' is a metaphysical fiction. Sure, > the EXPERIENCE seems to verify this reality (via TM), but, given how > wonderfully convincing one's initial experiences are of TM (the auguring of > everything MMY promises), the final pay-off (nothing to show for it, an > extraordinarily disappointing trajectory of 'progress' in one's 'evolution' > over decades of doing TM), logically forces one to conclude: THESE > EXPERIENCES ARE FALSE; that is, they DO NOT COINCIDE WITH REALITY. There IS > no such thing as Enlightenment. > > **Enlightenment isn't an experience. There may be a noticeable transition to > establishing that first permanent candle of silence within, but once > established, learning and developing and changing has to continue - nothing > to hold it back, so enlightenment doesn't really point to one experience, > except there may be a sudden and lasting realization of that first candle of > silence being kindled. After that, life continues like it did before.
RESPONSE: Is all of this coming out of your own private experience, whynotnow? If it is experimental knowledge than obviously we have a sharp disagreement. But if it is a dogma which you are attempting to verify in your own life by looking at your life from this perspective, then all that I can say is: even if you achieve enlightenment, it will represent a reality that, while as you say, is mechanically produced, nevertheless misrepresents what reality is. Saint Francis Xavier went to India to destroy those Hindu idols. And did all this within an undeniable supernatural grace. I have made the empirical discoveryafter writing 11 books (while Enlightened) and conducting countless theatrical seminars (also while enlightened) that I was profoundly DECEIVED. And I have made it my life's ambition to eliminate the deleterious effects of Maharishi and TM upon my mind and body. I sense the sincerity, clarity, and confidence in what you say in rebuttal to what I have said. But I also sense that where I have come to know what I say isif you will permit me to say thisa deeper place, closer to reality than from where you are contradicting me. But who knows? You may be dead right. It's just that I gave up a lot to become de-enlightened (powers, abilities, context), but I had no choice: life was punishing me for my error, the error of Enlightenment. Because while such a state of consciousness does indeed exist, it is createdyes, mechanicallyand sustained by mystical intelligences (devas) which ultimately do not seek the happiness of human beings. On the contrary. And I know this from direct experience. Thank you for your comments. It took me a while to get to them. >
