--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" <steve.sundur@...> wrote: > > I guess you have to ask yourself Barry, was your purpose > to actually "warn" Bill, or to slam the other three.
I might just as easily turn that question on you. Weren't you more interested in slamming me in post- ing what you did than in anything else? I ask because another way of responding would have been to say, unequivocably, "Bill, to counter what Barry (Turq) says, I completely believe that Jim, Ravi, and Robin (and Rory, if you care to throw him into the mix) are what they claim to be, fully enlightened." Wouldn't that have been a more graceful and more helpful way to respond? My prediction is that you won't do this, nor will much of anyone else, except for the four people them- selves and maybe Nabby, who no one believes about much of anything anyway. Instead you (and others, especially starting Friday evening when the Post Count rolls over to a new week) will spend your energies trying to demonize me for simply making a point. That point was that Bill, a relative newcomer to both TM and FFL, seemed to believe without reservation that all of these people were enlightened, *just because they said they were*. I was hoping to make the point to him that a little more discrimination might be in order. You -- and others here -- could help him develop that discrimination, if what you are interested in is his welfare. If, in fact, you believe that I am wrong, and that Jim, Ravi, and Robin are enlightened (according to Maharishi's definition of enlightenment, that is -- at the very least CC, and several of them have claimed to be in or have been in UC as well), step up, take your balls in your hand, and SAY SO. If you believe this and don't SAY SO, I think you're kind of spineless. If you believe the opposite -- that they are *not* enlightened -- and don't SAY SO, I think you're kinda spineless. Same with the other folks here. Your call. My prediction is that almost no one will take a stand one way or another. But the same people who don't have balls enough to say whether they believe these guys are enlightened will spend a lot of energy and a lot of posts badmouthing me for bringing up the elephant in the room. Priorities. > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > What Bob said, Bill. Welcome, but watch your back. > > > > One thing I should suggest to you -- both on Fairfield > > Life and in real life -- is to not believe that someone > > is enlightened just because they claim to be. Going that > > route is likely to cost you money and heartbreak. > > > > For example, on this forum we currently have three people > > who you seem to have bought into as being enlightened -- > > Jim Flanegin (whynotnow), Ravi, and Robin (maskedzebra). > > My bet is that other than each other (they tend to support > > each others' delusions IMO), you can't find more than a > > handful of people on this forum who actually BELIEVE > > that any of them are enlightened. > > > > It's not that we think they're lying (except for Ravi, who > > has admitted several times that he was lying to Rick in > > the interview he did with him for BATGAP); we think they > > are a tad delusional. Those of us who think this base it > > on their real-life behavior on this forum, juxtaposed to > > their claims of supposed higher states of consciousness. > > It's the "walk the walk" vs. the "talk the talk" thang. > > > > Look into it for yourself, and make your own decisions. > > I would suggest, for all three, using the Yahoo website's > > Advanced Search engine and looking up some of their > > earliest posts on this forum. That's where all three of > > them tended to freak out and display the anger and > > reactive behavior that convinces us disbelievers that > > they are delusional rather than enlightened. For the > > poster who now calls himself whynotnow, you should also > > look up his posts under several other names, for example, > > jim_flanegin and enlightened_dawn11 (during the period > > that Jim was pretending to be female). Just sayin'. > > > > I am NOT saying that there might not be truly enlightened > > people out there. I am NOT saying that there might be one > > or two of them who got there as the result of TM. But I > > am saying that I personally don't believe that either > > whynotnow, Ravi, or MZ fall into that category. And I > > don't think I'm alone here in believing this. I suspect, > > in fact, that more people on this forum consider them > > delusional than consider them enlightened. > > > > Just thought you should hear this, since you seemed to be > > buying everything they say as if it were gospel. It's not. > > It's opinion. So is what I say in this post. Do your own > > research and come to your own opinion. > > >
