--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "johnt" <johnlasher20002000@...> wrote: > > What I'm saying, and I fully understand what satire and irony > are, is that this is too serious a situation to deal with > subtly or through sarcasm. The point I was trying to make is > not a matter of you "doing my homework" asking you (Judy) to > write a satire on the holocaust, but to demonstrate that with > such a serious threat to millions neither you nor most people > would be willing to approach the holocaust in that manner.
You're quite right, I wouldn't. But there's a significant difference between allowing people to die for lack of health care, and deliberately rounding them up and gassing them to death. They're still just as dead, but the *malice* involved is vastly greater with the Holocaust. You can't really satirize that degree of malice the way you can ignorance, greed, and lack of empathy. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote: > > > > Nobody is "making light of or trivializing" the issue in > > question. That's not what satire does--quite the opposite. > > Maybe this will help: satire is like mockery. Everett is > > *mocking* those who think it's a good idea to cut Medicare > > and Medicaid and Social Security, pointing out that > > they're stupid and cruel and insensitive and greedy. He's > > being sarcastic when he praises the idea. > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "johnt" <johnlasher20002000@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > I'm not stupid you arrogant ***** It's just that making light or > > > trivializing a potential genocide is what I object to. Don't bother > > > responding if you're to stupid to get my point. > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "johnt" <johnlasher20002000@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Judy, > > > > > Perhaps you could write an example of a satire about the > > > > > holocaust so I can have more of an idea of how you think > > > > > this literary form is being used, not being an English > > > > > scholar myself. > > > > > > > > No, I'm not going to do your homework for you. There's > > > > no need to be an "English scholar" to understand what > > > > satire is. > > > > > > > > Did you read the Wikipedia entry I linked to on "A > > > > Modest Proposal"? You might also read Wikipedia's entry > > > > on satire: > > > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satire > > > > > > > > Take a look at both of these, then if you still have > > > > questions, get back to me, OK? > > > > > > > > > The number of deaths of the most helpless in society due > > > > > to this movement by some Republicans could easily result > > > > > in many more than 6 million deaths. > > > > > > > > Right. That's what the writer was pointing out. He thinks > > > > that's a terrible idea. If you understand that he's NOT > > > > in favor of cutting Medicaid and Medicare and read his > > > > piece with that in mind, I think you'll quickly recognize > > > > what satire is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "johnt" <johnlasher20002000@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > The fact is, that elements in the Republican party and indeed Obama > > > > > > are talking about cutting Medicaid and Medicare. If they succeed > > > > > > this will have the actual effect of shorting the lives of the poor, > > > > > > elderly and disabled as quoted in the article, and will indeed > > > > > > lessen the expenses to the government without raising taxes on > > > > > > corporations and the wealthy. Regardless of the author's intent, > > > > > > which may have admittedly been to raise public ire, what he's said > > > > > > is actually happening. It would be similar to having a satire on > > > > > > the Holocaust which should still raise public indignation. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "johnt" > > > > > > > <johnlasher20002000@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not only is the Wall Street Journal involved in a wiretapping > > > > > > > > scandal, but now they have writers suggesting the elimination > > > > > > > > of the elderly and disabled through cutting their medical > > > > > > > > insurance. This article was published by Market watch, which > > > > > > > > is owned by the Wall Street Journal and Rupert Murdoch. > > > > > > > > Unbelievable!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is NOT a satire > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John...it's absolutely a satire. As feste explained, the > > > > > > > words "modest proposal" give it away. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Read this: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Modest_Proposal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ever since Swift's essay, "modest proposal" has been a > > > > > > > term that signals satire. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
