--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 <no_reply@...> wrote:
< Says the man who compared Maharishi to Mao.> Two choices here Nabby so you can take your pick. 1. You sincerely didn't understand what I was comparing about these two men's follower's beliefs and think I was comparing them as men. In this case you are a very dim bulb. 2. You did understand my point about the unreliability of people's subjective evaluation of leader's divinity and are deliberately misrepresenting it. In this case you are being a dick. So which is it? But as an extension of my correction of my use of the term "disrespectful" in Judy's post; I deserve derision for misusing it. It was an idiotic thing to say, and does not reflect my view on further thought. Showing "respect" for an idea or historical person is highly overrated, especially in intellectual discussions. So the spirit of you calling me out is acknowledged, and I cop to its accuracy. I should be banned from ever using that term against others here. Duly noted. About Maharishi, the Mao thing was not me showing disrespect. You might have used a phrase I have tossed out like "Maharishi the Hindu televangelist huckstering mantras while claiming to be the most important man in history, begging for phallic monuments to be built to his wonderfulness as his dying wish" as a better example. If you ever need help selecting them let me know. Probably nothing tops my characterization of Guru Dev as the "Lottery winning homeless man...I mean lifetime camper who happens to be housing-impaired." You might want to keep that handy in case I try to pull this "disrespect" thing again. > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <curtisdeltablues@> > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi" <raviyogi@> wrote: > > > > > > Curtis, > > > I have to say, you in this response are a poor caricature of your image > > > you try to portray here on FFL. > > > > I am not portraying any image, we were discussing a topic of interest. > > This is the beginning of your ad hominem slide. > > > > I used the example of the life in a > > > housing project to illustrate on how the social changes are just > > > superficial and how they result in merely new rules and new games. > > > > And I was showing that this example was shortsighted in a discussion about > > the achievements of MLK. It also was a classically stereotypical caricature > > of black society. You amend this view below and I believe you vastly > > improve the impression you give of your understanding of the poor part of > > black society. > > > > If > > > not for the fact that I have been living in this country for 20 years > > > and am speaking to an American audience I would have very well used > > > examples from India. I have as much disgust for hypocritical repressed > > > values of India and I have never hesitated in articulating them. I still > > > have my emails from last year when I blasted the traditional > > > conservative values of Indian men. > > > > Alright, but that was not our topic was it? > > > > > > > I hate to have to disappoint you in your weird fantasies and twisting of> > > > my words into portraying me as being a judgmental person.> > > > > Let me stop you there. I don't have weird fantasies about you, I was > > reacting to the actual words you chose to write. I disagreed with them. > > You are a highly judgmental person Ravi, as am I. Are you concerned that I > > am thinking of you as a prejudiced person? No. I thought you were > > expressing naive opinions about a culture you didn't have much exposure to. > > I was wrong about that. But I still disagree with your reduction of black > > society into ghetto criminal life in a discussion of the achievements of > > MLK. > > > > < I totally love > > > white and black people or any other race. But I'm definitely partial in > > > my love for the black people. I have had an excellent time with blacks, > > > my professor and the secretary at the reading department of the black > > > school I attended. I used to be touched by the genuine love and > > > compassion that these church going people showed. I loved black gospel > > > music, enjoyed rap music, I just loved the heart centered-ness of the > > > black people even when I used to be occasionally cursed while working in > > > the housing projects. I found them to be very authentic. Even at the age > > > of 22 I recall enjoying stimulating conversation with the older blacks > > > at the housing projecting, the ones who probably watched the likes of > > > MLK in person. I certainly saw many who were lucky and/or could see this > > > game and successfully transitioned out of the projects. > > > > Then you should be more sensitive to writing off the achievement of MLK by > > using the criminal element in poor societies as somehow meaning he achieved > > nothing. His achievement was not only for black culture. It liberated > > white culture from such overtly un-American race relations. It was not > > meant to solve all the problems of personal prejudice, it was meant to > > provide legal remedies for the inequality. And by integrating schools and > > workplaces, "mixing the races" (hated by racists), the newer generation has > > far less prejudice, so it worked in that way too. > > > > > > > So take your projected bullshit elsewhere. Judy is spot on in her > > > assessment, you can't come to grips with your shadow and it is painful > > > to watch Mr. Wonderful turn into Mr. Hideous. Or what I state > > > differently, a pain projecting liberal with childish vengeful fantasies > > > now projected into some grand social utopian ideal and worship of pseudo> > > > spiritual icons. > > > > And shifting the discussion to what a bad guy I am personally is not gunna > > work any better for you. I am not advocating worship of MLK, I was > > challenging your dismissal in favor of a more balanced appreciation. Your > > little list of pseudo-spiritual icons has nothing to do with me. You might > > be overusing the term "projection" for a reason. > > > > > May be you are going through a hard time since the recent earthquake, > > > may be it has shaken more than the earth for you, if so I hope you soon> > > > get a grip and get over it. > > > > Your parting shot ad hominem isn't gunna fly Ravi. I wrote what I did, > > based on the content of your post, because I sincerely believe it was > > short-sighted and disrespectful. > > > Says the man who compared Maharishi to Mao. >
