"Re Peter, maybe his stroke knocked some of his conditioning out the window, too." This sentence caught my attention, And it seemed to go to my experience of the video. Not to account for my experience; but I think the stroke broke him down in some way which created a sense of physical humility. He was thrown upon his knees in a manner of speaking, and I think it perhaps released his best self. Peter Wallace himself might offer some insight here: I got the sense that he is very alert to metaphysical nuance; in fact what was most astonishing to me was the correspondence between his spiritual vocabulary and the reality to which this vocabulary referred to. He was in effect simply describing his experience. But that experience made itself known to us (for me at least) as an objective reality.
Mariana Caplan, I have to put off, since I am Eastern-phobic when it comes to books. I don't want to be reminded of my mystical past; it is still too dominant in my physiology. The Lee Zozowick episode put me in the mind of my seminarsagain, something I have come view as part of the hallucination of my Unity Consciousness, even as there was extraordinary drama and humour and entertainment. But there was also pain and violence, and it was driven by the assumptionand inspirationof my enlightenment. Regarding myself, I already have a feeling that your "objective vulnerability" (the context which is structured in your nervous system) is recording its impressions of me, and sooner or later it will reveal some truth about me. But you will understand why I must break this off here (LW). I can feel even in this moment your consciousness upon meand I like it. Robin --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau <m@...> wrote: > > This gave me the grins. Thanks. > I'm reading a few books by this wonderful woman, Mariana Caplan. She's > really made quite a study of it and has a great grasp and insight into the > whole spiritual path thing. I read Eyes Wide Open first. I heartily > recommend it. I'm reading The Guru Question now. In it she explicates all > about that, but also uses her own path as examples of what one might > encounter. Her description of her first encounter with her own teacher when > she met him in Thiruvannaamalai, an American madman named Lee Lozowick of the > crazy wisdom traditions whose teacher was Yogi Ramsuratkumar, is great. Upon > taking one look at her, he spent 40 minutes vivisecting her with merciless > but purely objective discernment which her ego was horrified by, but her > spirit perceived as pure love. Of course there was an audience there, as > well. First he asked her if she wanted to know what was going on with her. > When she said yes, he asked her if she were sure. He only started in on her > after her second assent. Later, a bunch of people there invited her to meet > with them and spent the whole time talking about how horrible Lee was to her. > She heard them out, but already knew Lee was her teacher. > I wish I could do that. But it seems I have to get to at least spend a > little time with a person first, though there often are things I believe I > can objectively see right away. It took me years with M. > Re Peter, maybe his stroke knocked some of his conditioning out the window, > too. But, again, my experience of him was almost 40 years ago. > A tiny bit re the LW. But you did pretty well...:-) > m > > On Sep 16, 2011, at 4:28 PM, maskedzebra wrote: > > > I think I am going to return to my purported Unity Consciousness, make you > > my skin boy, and then years later, read what you have to say about me: > > this, so I can get a true insight into myself. Because I think you might be > > able to tell me somethingif you knew me like you get to know othersthat I > > as yet still don't know about myself. The way you objectively carve someone > > up, it seems to me like impersonal surgery; therefore true. I am already > > gettingat least from the pasta fuller picture of Peter Wallace. Again, > > that picture does not undermine my recent experience; but I can sense, in > > terms of his personal history at least, there were thing to overcome. Has > > he overcome them? That fascinates me, because his performance on this video > > did not suggest the things that were no doubt true about him in the past. > > > > Got to cut it off here, Mark, as I mortify the longwindedness temptation. > > Which is obviously now that it has been put into a post by *you* has to > > point up some compensation in me for insecurity about *something*. What, I > > am not sure. But with you I got to keep what's wrong with me hiddenat > > least until I'm ready to hear it. > > > > No, so far it's pretty straight between us. That's my experience anyhow. > > > > But that "pulverizing" insight you gave to David Sieveking (re: MMY), it > > stays with me still. > > > > Amazing insight, that. > > > > Meanwhile, my experience of Peter Wallace remains what it was. > > > > Robin > > > > P.S. These further remarks about PW still have that signature objectivity. > > No personal animus shows at all. Therefore the "objective vulnerability" > > thing. LW = longwindedness: did it get me at the end here, Mark? Hope not. > > r > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau <m@...> wrote: > > > > > > Yes, loving the deep end and long windedness, but always appreciated, at > > > least by me... > > > Yes, of course I considered the possibility that, over the years, the > > > arrogance, assaultiveness and, even, in some ways, simple-mindedness that > > > I perceived in him nearly forty years ago has been tempered or even fully > > > released. And there is always the possibility that my judgmentalness and > > > projection distorted my experience of him back then. I didn't spend a > > > whole lot of time in his company. But, as I said, I would be surprised if > > > he were fully the saint you seemed to be depicting. I experienced him, > > > too, in this video, as being sincere and convincing and at rest within > > > himself. But wholly benign? That's what we see in the video, but if that > > > were really true of him now (Is anyone on the planet wholly benign?) then > > > he really has gone through quite a transformation. > > > Anybody there know him personally now that can give more feedback? > > > And thank you for your kind words of me and your transmission. Always > > > back at you as well. I will never need reminding of everything that > > > happened between us, though I realize that some of what you wrote may > > > here be for the benefit of others, as well. > > > m > > > > > > On Sep 16, 2011, at 1:48 PM, maskedzebra wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Mark, > > > > > > > > Very grateful, as always, for this thoughtful and discerning post. I > > > > searched for evidence (in general) of what you have told me here (of > > > > course I knew nothing about Peter Wallace, and naturally was entirely > > > > ignorant of specific more ambivalent takes on him by persons who were > > > > close to himas I assume you were)and missed it altogether. He (PW) > > > > came off as utterly sincere and convincing. But when I read your > > > > remarks here below, I must fit this counter-data into my software (the > > > > software of how my sensibilities operate in the world of experience and > > > > people). All I know is: the vibration coming off of this person struck > > > > me as wholly benign and deservedly earned (by his suffering, by the > > > > range of his experience, by his singular devotion to a Master). I am > > > > not going to press you for more details about how my impression of him > > > > (from this video) runs up against behaviour observed by other human > > > > beings (who have the privileged perspective of first hand knowledge). > > > > Is it possible he got beyond some of this "quirky, lunatic, dark side"? > > > > Or when you watched this 41 minute video, you felt, latently, the > > > > presence, still, of those traits consistent with what you tell me here. > > > > > > > > I concur with much of what you say after this: viz. the significance of > > > > his [PW's] pre-Maharishi spiritual associations; the more > > > > supernaturally inspired performance of Maharishi in those earlier days; > > > > the idea of grace touching that whole [W] family (I don't know Keith > > > > Wallace at all, but he too has always struck me as gentle, intelligent, > > > > and sincerewithout the distortions that seem to stick to so many > > > > leaders of the Movement, stubbornly resisting whatever efficacy TM has > > > > to smooth them out). > > > > > > > > I will always reserve a special place of respect for and vulnerability > > > > to you, Mark, becauseI know you don't forget thisyou, through your > > > > experiences of Maharishi, as described in one particular post, > > > > objectified Maharishi for me (as Judith Bourque had done in a very > > > > different way in her book): quite spontaneously, mechanically, even, > > > > allowing me to see him *as a man*, as a human being. This comprehension > > > > of Maharishi was delivered, then, though an entirely objective process: > > > > Mark Landau, without necessarily consciously being right up to this > > > > truth, nevertheless took in who Maharishi really was; and this truth > > > > was transferred to me (without, I think, you even realizing this, Mark) > > > > such that I was able to see the man behind the mask. This was a form of > > > > liberation for me. And it has stayed with me, even though, as I > > > > discovered subsequently, there was still a ways to go in breaking down > > > > my disciple-to-Master connection to Maharishi. > > > > > > > > You got me free (or rather reality did through you) at the most > > > > fundamental level though. Your words in that post, Mark, then, carried > > > > the subtext of truthand, as you know, I chalk this up to what I have > > > > referred to as your "objective vulnerability"in most people, > > > > vulnerability is mostly subjective; in your casealthough you obviously > > > > have the subjective form of thisyou also carry with you a faculty of > > > > sensitivity which is entirely independent of your personal historyand > > > > maybe even operates mostly oblivious to your conscious experience. But > > > > it is there, as proven by what was meta-psychologically delivered up to > > > > me, who was held in a kind of mystical trance. Youvia this objective > > > > vulnerabilitybroke that trance. > > > > > > > > Back to Peter Wallace: he did score big with me, Mark, and he still > > > > does. That is to say, what you say about him here, although I intuit it > > > > is accurate, has not qualified the impression he made upon me during > > > > that tape. Maybe you can explain this better than I could. > > > > > > > > I am predisposed (by habit, by intention) to see the weakness in the > > > > effect of the Eastern paradigm upon the Western personality: in this > > > > case it went quite in the reverse direction: I saw the strength of what > > > > the East had done for the Westerner Peter Wallaceand I was amazed. > > > > > > > > But at least factually I know more now, as I would never reject any > > > > impression you have formed of a given person, since the impression > > > > (that formed all by itself) carried inside of you of Maharishi Mahesh > > > > Yogi I believe to be the acutest of any person I have come across in > > > > the Movement. Who and what Maharishi was is inside the soul and nervous > > > > system of Mark Landau. This is a particular belief of mineregardless > > > > of whether Mark Landau himself can always do justice to the depth and > > > > exactness of that impression. > > > > > > > > I will shut up now, Markbefore FFL readers here start holding their > > > > noses. (Some of them don't like things to get too personalcan't blame > > > > them really.) > > > > > > > > Sending you whatever love and positivity I have within me to wherever > > > > you are. > > > > > > > > Robin > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau <m@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear, dear, Robin, > > > > > You so love the deep end (as, I must admit, I do, too)... > > > > > My experience of Peter Wallace is confined to the seventies, but, > > > > > back then, he definitely had his quirky, lunatic, abrasive, dark side > > > > > just like the rest of us. I would be very surprised if that has > > > > > changed, though, I too, was moved and enjoyably surprised by a) how > > > > > he seemed here and b) some of his disclosures, which I hadn't > > > > > previously known. (And remember, too, what spontaneously motivated > > > > > him and what he did before he even met M. Perhaps that whole family > > > > > was touched by grace.) > > > > > I have always felt that the best of M was more in evidence at the > > > > > beginning and from there things progressively deteriorated. Peter was > > > > > blessed to get more of that early stuff and it seems to have stayed > > > > > with him quite gracefully. > > > > > I have no question that there are many who have found a significant > > > > > degree of peace and grace through M and TM. > > > > > Bless your Catholic soul, > > > > > m > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 16, 2011, at 12:24 PM, maskedzebra wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dick Mays, > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know you, but I am determined to let you know that Peter > > > > > > Wallace's talk here is the best thing that has ever come out of the > > > > > > Movement. Him. His credibility. His gentleness. His serenity. His > > > > > > humility. His goodness. Quite an awesome experience, especially for > > > > > > someone with my perspective on Maharishi and TM. No matter what: > > > > > > Peter Wallace testifies to two things: God gave him a beautiful > > > > > > soul and 2. His association with Maharishi and TM was unreservedly > > > > > > positive. > > > > > > > > > > > > I like the tremendous dissonance this sets up in my heart and in my > > > > > > consciousness: to see someone embody so much of what is good and > > > > > > true (about the East, but even about the West too): Peter Wallace > > > > > > is a personality that is authentically wise, compassionate, and > > > > > > selfless. He compels us with the quality of his person and the > > > > > > quality of his consciousness. > > > > > > > > > > > > Magnificent. I am a thorough-going apostate from MMY, TM, and the > > > > > > Movement, but everything that led me to make this break is > > > > > > disproven and repudiated by the living personal performance of this > > > > > > human being, now living in Fairfield. > > > > > > > > > > > > Peter Wallace is the only [for me] really convincing exemplar of > > > > > > what the promise of TM is. > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand the presence of Jim Mayhew (sp?) in this video, but I > > > > > > would rather have had Peter Russell occupy the physical space > > > > > > alone, since Peter Russellat least to my intense scrutiny of > > > > > > himis without any obvious flaws (I mean as an example of a TM > > > > > > teacher). Jim Mayhew is not as subtle or innocently deft in his > > > > > > efforts to promote TM and MMY. > > > > > > > > > > > > I am amazed and glad there is some evidence (embodied in a human > > > > > > being) of the good that TM and MMY can do. Peter Russell's > > > > > > extraordinary spirit here, as it expresses itself in words > > > > > > (memories of MMY and India), seems almost a supernatural anomaly > > > > > > juxtaposed to others who oversee Maharishi's Movement now. > > > > > > > > > > > > But I take this event as a blessing. For Peter Russell, out of the > > > > > > depths of his soul, gave me something that I doubt I could get > > > > > > anywhere else in the universe. This, at least, is the verdict I > > > > > > pass on the experience that opened up in my whole nervous system > > > > > > just listening to him, watching his face and gestures. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes. I will say it. The first saint of the TM Movement. > > > > > > > > > > > > And therefore a contradiction of everything I have come to believe. > > > > > > > > > > > > How merciful for everyone there living in Fairfield who is still > > > > > > loyal to Maharishi, TM, and the TM Movement: the physical presence > > > > > > of this person Peter Russell, it may be about the best thing there > > > > > > is in Fairfield, if I am to go by my subjective experience watching > > > > > > this video. > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it possible you could, Dick Mays, pass on this appreciation to > > > > > > Peter Russell? Even as I am, of course, persona non grata in the TM > > > > > > Movementand prefer it to be this way. > > > > > > > > > > > > As one human being witnessing the behaviour and personality of > > > > > > another human being, I have to say: Peter Russell, he is the real > > > > > > deal. And he got to be that way by an orthodox adherence to > > > > > > Maharishi and The Teaching. > > > > > > > > > > > > Peter Russell in my judgment towers above anyone I have met > > > > > > (outside of Maharishi) who claims to be enlightened (not that he, > > > > > > Peter Russell himself, has ever made this claim; evidently he has > > > > > > not). > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, Dick Mays, you get my point: this is a beautiful human > > > > > > being who in his person represents the wisdom of the East better > > > > > > than anyone I know. > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope this video gets seen by everyone who ever had anything to do > > > > > > with Maharishi in a personal sense. That would, at the very least, > > > > > > include every single teacher of TM. > > > > > > > > > > > > I am grateful to you, Dick Mays, for alerting me to something as > > > > > > rare and exquisite and real as this experience was that was given > > > > > > to me by Peter Russell. > > > > > > > > > > > > Robin > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays <dickmays@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Forwarded from a friend: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are some wonderful, rich stories in here about Maharishi as > > > > > > > well as Anandamayi Ma... Well worth listening to. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JAI GURU DEV > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WE are so fortunate........ beyond our imagination. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Recent video by Peter Wallace > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Very precious, some of same material as MUM talk, but extra depth > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > other areas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOeh-dH97nU&feature=relmfu>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOeh-dH97nU&feature=relmfu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
