I never met Peter and am not saying he is not a normal guy. I think I am saying he actually is a normal guy with one too many super normal stories. I did meet guys like him in the movement who have one too many miraculous tales to tell.
If you listen to a guy like Vernon Katz talk about Maharishi you will see the difference. Vernon's descriptions of his interactions don't have the effect of making him look special. They make Maharishi look special but in a wise balanced way. He told me that Maharishi was fond of exaggerating. But it was in a loving: "oh that Maharishi is such a rascal". I should probably get his book. Your read on the minder may be correct. Guys like Peter from the royal Wallace family have always caused trouble for the movement because they don't bow to any of Maharishi's minions. I saw that with certain people who had been around Maharishi in the early days. Jerry was treated that way, with suspicion that he wouldn't tow the latest party line when he was at MIU. Perhaps Rick can fill in more of Peter's history in the movement. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7" <whynotnow7@...> wrote: > > Did you know this guy Peter before? Just curious, because he seems normal > enough. Perhaps it was the propensity of all of those "governors" to toot > their horns in the political environment around Maharishi that has (overly) > sensitized you for any hint of this behavior when you watch something like > this. I don't know. > > As for the TM teacher next to him, he almost seemed like a "minder" from a > totalitarian regime, placed next to Peter to ensure he continued to hew to > the party line. The other guy's facial expressions were disconcerting and > amusing at the same time, as if he always wanted to be reflecting the deep > "truth" of what Peter was saying, intellectually. At one point, after the > camera pulled back and "Mr. TM Teacher" insinuated himself into the frame, I > had to watch it with my hand covering his face, as his agitations were > seriously distracting. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <curtisdeltablues@> > wrote: > > > > Called it like I saw it. No big break needed. > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7" <whynotnow7@> wrote: > > > > > > He seemed like a pretty normal guy just talking about his past. What is > > > the big deal? Seems like you are always looking for something you > > > invariably find Curtis. Why not give the guy, and yourself a big break? > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > > <curtisdeltablues@> wrote: > > > > > > > > As Robin notes, these kinds of stories do make teachers of TM go to > > > > that tender level of feeling where many of us ex or not, would have > > > > loved to have hung out with the pre-World Government Maharishi in > > > > Rishikesh for such an extended period of time. "I partied out with > > > > Maharishi before he became Donald Trump" tales rock. And if his > > > > experience with Maharishi with its Hollywood worthy miraculous meeting > > > > was the only tale in the interview, I probably would have just gotten > > > > my vicarious buzz on about his chill'n with the guy who knew all the > > > > answers, my ex-guru daddy supreme, Maharishi. > > > > > > > > But he played the miraculous coincidence card one too many times and my > > > > "too good to be true alarm went off." Oh ye of the tender level of > > > > feeling who found this string of amazing stories to nourish your finest > > > > level of your heart, please forgive me, because it was not a conscious > > > > mind thing. It was little buoy that came up from deep down in my mind > > > > where the fish are all luminous and some don't even have eyes anymore. > > > > They don't need them down there even though they do possess vestigial > > > > nonfunctional eyes. (what a weird thing to include in an intelligent > > > > design huh? Non eyes, that don't see...but used to a long time ago.) > > > > > > > > I am my own buzz buster. I freak'n love stories like the ones Peter > > > > told. I adore them. > > > > > > > > But my Goddamn unconscious tyrant sent me a memo. One that I can't > > > > refuse, despite the price I pay in euphoria deflation over such a > > > > string of wonderful tales of encounters with special, wonderful people. > > > > > > > > So here it is. Too many perfect coincidences in a row with the same > > > > message as the subtext. And the message is that this person, Peter, is > > > > the most wonderfully, specially, coincidentally acknowledged person by > > > > each and every special person in his stories without exception. None > > > > of them were met the way I met Maharishi, each one has a story, worthy > > > > of standing alone in its magical perfection. Why did he have to put > > > > them all together? Could he have included even one story that sounded > > > > like mine? One story that didn't have the blessed perfection of a > > > > perfectly told story? Could he have shown a bit of literary > > > > discipline in what he was serving us? > > > > > > > > OK. If this is how it all really went down, then he is the single most > > > > magically blessed person I have ever heard about, with the ultimate "I > > > > hung out with Maharishi before he became Donald Trump" tales. > > > > > > > > But if you spoke with Maharishi for 6 months and the most interesting > > > > thing you have to share is how special you were in how you were > > > > acknowledged by him...no details worthy of a person sitting day after > > > > day with the guy who was supposed to have figured it all out, the guy > > > > who had the answers about the reality of life, the best you can serve > > > > up to us is a cool coincidence story about how you knew better than > > > > anyone else the Maharishi was gunna show up...that is the most > > > > important words out of your mouth...a story not about his insights into > > > > reality but how special you were in how you met him... > > > > > > > > and all of this served up in a non-affect monotone serving up exactly > > > > zero of the qualities that might encourage me to see how reasonable it > > > > is that this is the guy who may be the luckiest guy in the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <vajradhatu@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 16, 2011, at 6:05 PM, maskedzebra wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > RESPONSE: These remarks don't represent the experiential context of > > > > > > TM. Are you a meditator? a former TM teacher? Not that (if you are > > > > > > not a TMer) this invalidates your point of viewbut I feel as if I > > > > > > am reading about the experience and perspective of someone who did > > > > > > not submit himself to the Pujanor to the transcendent movement > > > > > > within his mind, of TM itself. As far as TM is concerned, I intuit > > > > > > you are tone-deaf [when it comes to TM]. But standing apart from > > > > > > this, of course you are legitimately entitled to your evaluation of > > > > > > the merits of my impression of Peter Wallace. > > > > > > > > > > I'm as experienced as just about anyone here. So, yes, I'm quite > > > > > familiar with the puja, TM, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you have never gone down on your knees in front of the portrait > > > > > > of Guru Dev, your comments make much more sense to me. Just as Rick > > > > > > Archer's guests on BatGap (unless, like Phil Goldberg they are > > > > > > connected to TM and Maharishi) no nothing of what appears to be the > > > > > > unique context of spiritual reality one comes to know (and it stays > > > > > > with one) through TMand most emphatically through initiating > > > > > > people into this practice. > > > > > > > > > > > > All those, especially initiators, on this forum share a common > > > > > > metaphysical denominator: I think you would have to have join the > > > > > > club to really appreciate Peter Wallace. > > > > > > > > > > > > But perhaps I am myself just failing to get the biological and > > > > > > psychological evidence of your association with TM. TM and MMY: > > > > > > these are realities which make themselves familiar to us in the > > > > > > deepest way; at least this is what I have found since I began to > > > > > > meditate. And then initiating people into TMthat takes things to > > > > > > yet another level. > > > > > > > > > > > > If Keith Wallace did what you say he did, then that was wrong. But > > > > > > it (this act by Peter's brother) does not impugn the truthfulness > > > > > > of the impression that Peter Wallace made on me. > > > > > > > > > > I see Peter's particular sentimentality merely as a peculiar form of > > > > > suffering typical to hard-core TMers. I do not believe it requires > > > > > that one be a TM teacher, but those that are find it hardest, if not > > > > > impossible to shake. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You seem held up on the level of *content* alone; seemingly lacking > > > > > > the quality of TM engrams in your nervous system which would make > > > > > > you really know what is going on. Not that I would recommend you > > > > > > take up the practice of TM. > > > > > > > > > > Once the effect of TM's transcending is transcended, it can be > > > > > dropped like old clothing one no longer desires in the slightest. But > > > > > one would need to make the foundational shift, and heart-felt > > > > > decision, to do so. > > > > > > > > > > So, to me, Peter's dronings are like watching an old man wearing long > > > > > worn out clothing that's he's never been able to remove. I guess I > > > > > would characterize the feeling I get as "pathetic". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you are a meditator, much less a former initiator, then my > > > > > > intuition has failed me in a serious way. And this concerns me. You > > > > > > see, vajradhatu, the effects of TM (and even MMY)and > > > > > > initiatingthey go well beyond our conscious awareness. > > > > > > > > > > > > At that level you seem an innocent. > > > > > > > > > > Sorry to disappoint. While my attorney recommends I do not discuss my > > > > > involvement with TM and the TM Org, I will say I did spend one > > > > > Guru-purinima day in FF with you, repeating the puju over and over > > > > > again, to magnify it's effect. While at that time it might have > > > > > seemed important, now it just seems to be what it is: a poet and > > > > > Sanskrit scholar's old devotions that Mahesh was told to throw away > > > > > by Swami Brahmananda - but a poem he kept secretly... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
