That 2 weeks on the IA course I mentioned earlier, returning to the Dome after 24 years, yada yada :-)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau <m@...> wrote: > > What was the course? > > On Sep 19, 2011, at 7:25 PM, RoryGoff wrote: > > > * * * Ha! Let's just say that up until 2006, I would fully have subscribed > > to the it's-simply-grace school, but on the 2006 course grace showed me > > quite clearly that grace has been flowing to me-as-Rory all this time most > > intensely and directly through me-as-M by way of a whole long line of > > me-as-earlier-tranmsitters :-) > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau <m@...> wrote: > > > > > > I only ask because grace seems to have worked in others, with other > > > teachers and in other disciplines, what you described and sometimes those > > > others describe the active agent simply as grace while some see it as > > > their teacher or savior. > > > > > > On Sep 19, 2011, at 5:40 PM, RoryGoff wrote: > > > > > > > * * * Interesting question, Mark. Anything is possible, but if I were > > > > to use the Truth that it is all Grace, all the flow of Self to Self, in > > > > order to avoid feeling gratitude to M for his relative role as my > > > > teacher, I feel I would be making the same category error as those who > > > > use that same all-is-One Truth to justify excusing the teacher's > > > > misdeeds. I do not seek to excuse his misdeeds; I am only saying that > > > > *for me* those misdeeds pale in comparison to the Truth of what he > > > > showed me. > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau <m@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I like this, thanks, Rory, but is it possible that it was simply > > > > > grace (M is actually *my own self*) that pulled all that off and you > > > > > gave it the "form" of M because of your history and location? > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 19, 2011, at 2:13 AM, RoryGoff wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > * * * Yes, definitely, Mark! But honesty compels me to try to > > > > > > convey how it feels to me at present in Reality. To use a crude > > > > > > analogy, it's as if I had been serving a life sentence in a > > > > > > maximum-security prison for a murder I didn't commit, and no one > > > > > > believed my protestations of innocence. Then along comes M, an old > > > > > > alcoholic lawyer who unexpectedly frees me, *and* restores me to a > > > > > > billionaire's inheritance I didn't know I was in line for. Then, > > > > > > added to that, it eventually turns out M is actually *my own self* > > > > > > who came backwards in time to untangle the whole mess. How > > > > > > ungrateful would I have to be to criticize him/future-me for being > > > > > > an alcoholic? :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau <m@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gotcha. So, again, we find ourselves on the same page. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 17, 2011, at 12:08 PM, RoryGoff wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * Ha! No, not at all, Mark; in the 3D Theater I am not > > > > > > > > trying to make M a perfect being who never acted from > > > > > > > > corruption, nor -- were I so moved -- would I hesitate to hold > > > > > > > > him as accountable as anyone else when it comes to personal > > > > > > > > behavior. In the 3D Theater, we all like to see Justice prevail > > > > > > > > and Good triumph over Evil. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But that is the 3D Theater: "Mother Nature's tits" as it were. > > > > > > > > So I am saying when it comes right down to the naked Truth of > > > > > > > > it, when I look into "Her eyes" *I have no idea who M really > > > > > > > > IS* -- other than unconditional Love of the Self. I find this > > > > > > > > to be True for anyone and everyone I really pay attention to, > > > > > > > > and thereby absorb completely as a persona of, or pattern > > > > > > > > arising within, that same Self-Awareness. And this is the only > > > > > > > > "thing" I KNOW to be True, Self-evidently. And from here and > > > > > > > > now, that Love Lovingly absorbs and upholds everything, every > > > > > > > > story, every pattern, every persona, even "evil" and > > > > > > > > "corruption" and -- much to my shock -- "rebellion". And M has > > > > > > > > been one of those who has showed me most clearly this > > > > > > > > incredibly simple Understanding. That's all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *L*L*L* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau <m@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So here's my problem with all this--wanting to maintain > > > > > > > > > accountability and veracity in the 3D world, which, really, > > > > > > > > > we must continue to do, I believe, as 3D beings. > > > > > > > > > The way you're painting it here, M did everything from > > > > > > > > > unconditional love, he was perfect and did no wrong--the TB > > > > > > > > > viewpoint. > > > > > > > > > God or the Satguru does everything from universal love. > > > > > > > > > Humans have foibles, flaws, corruption. > > > > > > > > > As beings, we, ultimately, must incorporate it all; take > > > > > > > > > responsibility for it all; face, embrace and heal it all; > > > > > > > > > acknowledge it all as who we are. > > > > > > > > > But we can still use discernment, objective vulnerability, if > > > > > > > > > you will, to perceive the crimes perpetrated by another, > > > > > > > > > perceive, embrace and own them as crimes we, too, in one way > > > > > > > > > or another, have committed. > > > > > > > > > Are you trying here to make M a perfect being, one who never > > > > > > > > > acted from a smaller, corrupt part of himself? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 17, 2011, at 8:43 AM, RoryGoff wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * Hey, Mark! Many thanks; new responses interleaved (* * > > > > > > > > > > *) below... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau <m@...> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you, this is interesting, see below. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 16, 2011, at 10:42 PM, RoryGoff wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, Mark, I haven't returned to the Dome since 2006. It > > > > > > > > > > felt and looked as if M wanted me in there for that time -- > > > > > > > > > > that was really why I went, as I had no desire from my side > > > > > > > > > > to return -- and it was an incredible gift that healed the > > > > > > > > > > very last of my judgments and the unfinished business > > > > > > > > > > between us, bursting my heart open again and again as he > > > > > > > > > > upheld my entire life and being, even and especially the > > > > > > > > > > "heretical" parts, and showed me what everything looked > > > > > > > > > > like from his side in incredible unconditional Love. Not > > > > > > > > > > that I had even known I still desired such! But that was it > > > > > > > > > > -- I see it now as his exceedingly generous farewell gift > > > > > > > > > > to me, and I remain blown away, at once deeply humbled and > > > > > > > > > > exalted by it all to this day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark Landau <m@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hmm, while he was still here. Nice. Can't say that he so > > > > > > > > > > > gifted me, nor that I perceived him as always behaving > > > > > > > > > > > from incredible unconditional Love. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * Yes, shockingly nice. From my POV it was entirely > > > > > > > > > > unexpected and wholly unmerited, given my history, although > > > > > > > > > > in retrospect I suppose it was nature's response to all the > > > > > > > > > > Work or "inner housecleaning" I had done over the years. A > > > > > > > > > > "Build it and We will come" kind of thing, maybe. "Is this > > > > > > > > > > Heaven? No; it's a cornfield in Iowa." Darshan or Grace or > > > > > > > > > > Love looks much like an electrical current, automatically > > > > > > > > > > flowing when there is receptivity, and not as obviously > > > > > > > > > > when there is resistance. But I am finding that the > > > > > > > > > > resistance is always only my own, stemming from a failure > > > > > > > > > > on my part to Love wholly whatever aspect of wholeness Love > > > > > > > > > > is currently showing me. Our inner stories and judgments > > > > > > > > > > can sometimes block our perception and appreciation of it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark Landau <m@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > How do you reconcile this with the Hitler images? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * I reconciled it by unconditionally Loving all of it > > > > > > > > > > as myself; once done, my most nightmarish demon "out there" > > > > > > > > > > becomes my loving devata/devotee "in here", my own > > > > > > > > > > beautiful child, my self. I am finding Love to be the only > > > > > > > > > > universal currency and universal solvent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RoryGoff wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I cannot really speak for you, of course, Mark, but > > > > > > > > > > > > yes, I have been finding it most healthy and simple to > > > > > > > > > > > > take responsiblity for my entire world and all the > > > > > > > > > > > > stories I spin therein, especially the parts that > > > > > > > > > > > > disturb me the most, as therein lies the greatest > > > > > > > > > > > > opportunity for growth in Love and self-knowledge, as > > > > > > > > > > > > Love, like Brahman, consumes everything, swallows every > > > > > > > > > > > > one of us whole. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark Landau <m@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I think if we can take responsibility for everything > > > > > > > > > > > we perceive in all that is, we're doing ourselves and all > > > > > > > > > > > that is the most justice, not that I can always do that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * God knows, it is not always easy nor immediate. > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes it has taken me years to understand and fulfill > > > > > > > > > > the specific nagging needs of some of my demon/devatas :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RoryGoff wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure about any mandatoriness of suit and > > > > > > > > > > > > dome-going; it probably varies from job to job but I > > > > > > > > > > > > have never inquired. I will if you really wish me to, > > > > > > > > > > > > but I am not at present particularly involved with that > > > > > > > > > > > > arena. And yes, we would love to welcome you here -- my > > > > > > > > > > > > good and great friend Tom T. especially has inquired > > > > > > > > > > > > about you repeatedly, and would love to hear from you > > > > > > > > > > > > sometime. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark Landau <m@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > No, of course not. I wouldn't ask you to do that. If I > > > > > > > > > > > ever come to that bridge, which I doubt, I'll find out > > > > > > > > > > > soon enough. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * True, you will! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark Landau <m@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Maybe I'll get in touch with Tom or try that again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * We would love that, Mark, if you felt like so doing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *L*L*L* always :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, U2, m > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
