--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Yifu" <yifuxero@...> wrote: > > So, you're appealing to the "The Mahareeshee says so" argument. Interesting > parallel to the Bible Says So tactic: > http://www.scottgbrooks.com/2009_10.html > ... > The notion that the universe needs an outsider observer is an outmoded > corollary to the Copenhagen quantum viewpoint; but not at all necessary in > the Many Worlds (or Multiverse) hypothesis as currently expounded by David > Deutsch.
I don't believe the multiverse theory can be proved. The current technology in the world is not able to make any telescopes that can go beyond our universe. > ... > Besides, if you're saying there's an outside observer, is that a Personality? > or simply some aspect of the relative but impersonal? What is the nature of > that outside observer and why doesn't this lead to an infinite regress > (needing another "outside" observer to observe that entity, and so > on;....turtles all the way down). Yes, the observer would a Personality of a divine order. The Personality is not an aspect of the relative, nor is it impersonal. > ... > The "God of the gaps" tactic is unsustainable (the notion that a "God" is > needed to shore up supposed shortcomings in somebody's hypothesis). The Many > Worlds/Multiverse hypothesis in recent decades has more or less supplanted > the Cophenhagen viewpoint among many if not most physicists; and this > viewpoint by no means "needs" an outside observer since the Multiverse is > it's own Observer. How can the multiverse be it's own observer? Nobody has proved the scientific fact that the multiverse exists. You're arguing from the viewpoint of incorrect logic. > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" <jr_esq@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > Matter cannot be created nor destroyed. A law of physics. > > > > > > There's a theory called Quantum Cosmology which states that the universe > > started out as a quantum wave function. MMY favored this theory when he > > was alive. The theory presupposes that there is an observer in the > > imaginary world for the wave function to exist. > > > > This wave function then collapsed or manifested into the real world as the > > Big Bang. Thus, matter, time and space was created. > > > > > > > > > > But God can create or destroy matter. > > > > I agree with this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Steven Hawking's statement may have been the most profound thing he has > > > said in his career. > > > > IMO, it's very dumb, or that he just made it to sell his books. In that > > regard, he may be shrewd. > > > > > > He should resign for having an opinion that is different than someone > > > else?? > > > > Yes, for the reasons given above. > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" <jr_esq@> wrote: > > > > > > > > This article is insightful. Hawking is past his prime. He should > > > > resign from his tenured position in Oxford or whatever university he is > > > > associated with. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <rick@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1308599/Stephen-Hawking-wrong-You- > > > > > explain-universe-God.html#ixzz1cMJFSYon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
