Robin, Well this is all getting a bit Jr High but I am happy to explain further once you read the full line on my post to Barry.
In the beginning of our conversations I just assumed you were gay. I believed the Lady Gaga discussions were code like "friend of Dorthy." Over time I began to question my assumptions and once we emailed each other outside the more dramatic context of FFL I decided that I had been wrong. But it was never a putdown on you to have thought that. We both have dramatic sides that could lead to people thinking I was gay. I couldn't care less. In the context of Barry calling you a drama-queen I don't believe he meant it as a gay slur, he calls Jim that all the time and he is well known as hetero. Perhaps in later posts he went further I don't know. But please don't hold it against me ( unfortunate phrase I know) if in the beginning I speculated about your orientation. It was sincere confusion. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra <no_reply@...> wrote: > > And because you're one of my buds and all, I'll go even further. First, > I'll avoid giving away the real source of the "Robin wears women's > clothing when he posts" line that someone found so offensive here. > Second, I'll promise not to reveal the details of any of those private > email exchanges that some on the vigilante squads have accused us > of having behind their backs in our continuing attempts to tell lies > about them, TM, Maharishi, and the American Way. Third, I'll > listen to more of the Delta Blues from time to time, even though > it's not my favorite kinda music. [BW: November 2, 2011] > > RESPONSE: Am I to take from this disclosure by B, Curtis, that you have > falsely and knowingly implied there is a real source to this "Robin wears > women's clothing when he posts"? It sounds as if you have stated to B that > you indeed have evidence of my more than feminine side. I challenge you to > deny this in the strongest terms, since it is absolutely false. And I accuse > youif you insinuated to B that you did in fact possess such evidenceof > being a liar and a deceiver. A real Iago kind of guy. > > What's the deal here, Curtis? Did you let B know that his suspicions about me > were founded in fact? And you have have access to this fact? > > This, if it is true, is the ultimate deal-breaker. And it dishonours your > nameunless you can, of course, explain yourself. > > Robin > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <curtisdeltablues@> > wrote: > > > > Barry, > > > > > > <That's where I think the real connection to FFL -- especially recently > > -- comes in. This place has been a hotbed of people asserting that they > > not only have the right to try to change people they don't like, they've > > been asserting that it's some kind of ethical or moral duty, and that > > anyone who *doesn't* "do as they do" and try to impose their view of how > > things should be on others is ethically deficient. > > > > Bzzzzzt. As Curtis has pointed out so well, this just does not compute. > > The only environment in which such a 'tude *does* compute is a cult, > > especially one that has a history of treating its members like children > > who "need" to be corrected by their betters. In other words, the TM > > movement. > > > > Such a sense of entitlement has no place on a forum composed of adults. > > Adults don't really need anyone to "stand up for them" when someone says > > something about them that they might not agree with. Adults suck it up > > and realize that the other person's view of them is just as valid as > > their own. They don't go around trying to impose their values on other > > people; they just do what adults do, try to do their best to live up to > > their own values, and allow others to do the same. Groups can't become > > cults if the people in them act like adults. They can only become cults > > if most of them act like children, and as if the gurus and the fellow > > cultists around them trying to make them "more like them" are right.> > > > > Hey Barry, > > > > Hey listen, uh...I've been hearing some things from people that you said > > some things that they don't like and found offensive...and since you and I > > get along here pretty well...uh I was wondering if you could uh > > do..er...not do...say,,,I not mean say anything that people might find > > offensive here? Now I read your first post to Robin where you called him a > > drama queen and accused him of acting as if he wanted us to treat him as a > > special person and you really let him have it and said that you were not > > going to treat him that way and that he is boring to you. Robin responded > > and I guess you had a few dustups after that because apparently some people > > here believe you were "sadistic" and "offensive" in those posts. > > > > ow as you know I've been having fun in long discussions with Robin so I > > seem to have a different opinion of him and since we are friends and all I > > was just thinking that it is probably my right to ask you to think more > > like me now and like Robin and not say anything to him that others might > > find offensive. Now I know this may be pushing our friendship a bit far to > > ask that you be more like me but I've been accused of having bad ethics and > > even encouraging you by not asking you to change in this way,so I hope you > > understand. > > > > Just so we are clear and I can get this monkey off my back once and for > > all, here is what I am asking: > > > > 1. Do not write things that anyone here might find offensive. If you have > > any question about what this is the standard is Judy. > > > > 2. If you don't like someone here and find their persona offputting please > > clear your objections with the rest of us before posting anything that we > > might disagree with. You are a bad person and you should not trust your > > judgement about this. Please leave this up to the professionals. > > > > 3. When you say hurtful things to another adult on this forum it is up to > > me to step in with a rolled up newspaper and tell you how bad you are. > > This is a right I have been given because you and I don't fight here. The > > reason we don't fight is not that we like each other but because of our > > alpha male pact which was sealed that night we crossed urine streams. That > > was not gay even though we saw each other's wieners and in response to your > > unwarranted and sadistic chuckling at what you referred to as my "peanut", > > I want you to know that some are for show and some are for grow. Just > > because mine is neither, you had no right to ask me if I was going to clear > > my zipper. And speaking of gay topics... > > > > 4. I don't think Robin is gay. I don't know if you you were implying that > > he was or offensively stating it in a manor unpleasing to some other > > posters here, but I need you to think about him more as I do in this way > > too. (And for the record if a guy wears women's clothes underneath male > > ones that is not trans-sexual it is just a question of comfort.) > > > > 5. I have noticed that you are not as interested in the blues as I am. I > > hope you will honor my friendship rights by changing this. > > > > 6. You have been mean to Judy more than she has been mean to you by her > > count. This is apparently meaningful. Please take note. In fact from her > > POV you are actually the only mean one and she has been forced (but not in > > a victim way) to respond to every one of your lies, misrepresentations and > > offensive putdowns of her for the last 16 years. Please stop miscounting > > how many times she mentions you in her posts. (Please check with Judy for > > the technical reasons your count doesn't count.) Please accept that her > > view is the objective reality and yours is wrong. My view is also better > > but that is because you and I are friendly and that is my right to assert. > > > > 7. I am not clear on everything you have said to Judy but you need to > > change what you say so that she is never offended. She hates having to > > correct you, it gives her no joy and she doesn't love it more than anything > > else she posts here, and despite my impression that she has spent a > > mindnumbing amount of time at this, it is not true that it is a lot. It is > > mostly you who writes both your and her parts in the thousands of posts > > that I have had to click over through the years. > > > > 8. I am not being friendly because I like you. I am afraid of you and how > > you might say mean things to me if I don't cower to your awesome alphaness. > > You are a rogue ape whose activities and misdeeds are worthy of the amount > > of creative time eaten up by discussing your evil ways. ( I hope this > > admission doesn't limit my friendship rights to change you by speaking my > > opinions at you.) > > > > 9. If I had any more creative energy for this topic, I would insert it > > here and really stick the landing inspiring the healing mirth of laughter. > > Please laugh out loud here the way that laughing yogi does in a > > fake-it-till-you-make-it way giving me credit for invoking that reaction by > > being very funny. > > > > Well I gave it a shot everyone. And although I know in advance that it was > > not good enough to satisfy your views of my obligations here, it is the > > best that I can do with the inconvenient intrusion of my own POV on all > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > To some extent, I've been less charmed by the latest two episodes of > > > HBO's "Enlightened" while watching it, but in retrospect I've realized > > > that Mike White and Laura Dern *are* still dealing with material that is > > > relevant to FFL and to the cult of spiritual narcissism; it's just more > > > subtle than in the first 2 episodes. > > > > > > It's now been a week since Amy has returned from her idyllic (although > > > enforced) retreat in Hawaii. Her epiphany -- whatever it was -- had > > > faded in significance, and now she's focused on trying to still "live an > > > enlightened life" out in the real world. In Ep4, confronted with her > > > first weekend, she has to figure out what to do with it. > > > > > > She first decides to spend it meditating, which gives us a classic (and > > > hilarious) opportunity to listen to her inner thoughts" in pretty much > > > the classic TMer meditation. That is, all thoughts, no silence, all > > > trivia and self-involvement. Her first thoughts are about being 40 and > > > having wrinkles. Then she "comes back to the mantra" and tries to > > > visualize something more positive, and lapses into thoughts of a happier > > > time. But then, inspired by visions of that happy time, she sets out to > > > recreate this fantasy happier time. And that's where the trouble begins. > > > > > > She phones her ex-husband in the middle of the night, waking him, and > > > tells him that he's just got to go off river rafting with her. At 7:00 > > > AM the next morning. And here's where the connection to TM and to > > > cultism comes in; she doesn't *ask* him whether he wants to go, she > > > tells him that he needs to, and makes the reservations herself. Being > > > essentially a nice guy, he thinks she's crazy, but agrees to go anyway. > > > They get there, are out on the river, and for a few minutes both are > > > feeling a little of the fantasy happiness she was seeking. > > > > > > But then reality intrudes. She finds that he brought along a bag full of > > > drugs and, offended in the way that only a New Age twif can be offended, > > > throws them away. He goes ballistic, and storms away, her following. As > > > he finds a new stash and gets high, she harangues him with what a > > > low-life he is, continually insisting that she's doing it for his own > > > good, trying to get him to become the person he could be. Problem is, > > > it's not the person he wants to be. From his POV (and, by this time, the > > > audience's), *she* is the one living in a delusional world, and worse, > > > she's consistently treating not only him but *everyone* around her as if > > > they're lesser than she is. The *only* way she can imagine interfacing > > > with these "lesser" people is to try to convert them, to infect them > > > with her hypomania and make them more like her. Fortunately Levi (Luke > > > Wilson) finally has it up to here with her condescending, superior BS > > > and tells her to fuck off and leave him alone. He tells her something > > > she has never realized, that the way she sees him makes him feel like > > > shit, because she sees him *as* shit, compared to her and her new > > > fantasy lifestyle. > > > > > > That's where I think the real connection to FFL -- especially recently > > > -- comes in. This place has been a hotbed of people asserting that they > > > not only have the right to try to change people they don't like, they've > > > been asserting that it's some kind of ethical or moral duty, and that > > > anyone who *doesn't* "do as they do" and try to impose their view of how > > > things should be on others is ethically deficient. > > > > > > Bzzzzzt. As Curtis has pointed out so well, this just does not compute. > > > The only environment in which such a 'tude *does* compute is a cult, > > > especially one that has a history of treating its members like children > > > who "need" to be corrected by their betters. In other words, the TM > > > movement. > > > > > > Such a sense of entitlement has no place on a forum composed of adults. > > > Adults don't really need anyone to "stand up for them" when someone says > > > something about them that they might not agree with. Adults suck it up > > > and realize that the other person's view of them is just as valid as > > > their own. They don't go around trying to impose their values on other > > > people; they just do what adults do, try to do their best to live up to > > > their own values, and allow others to do the same. Groups can't become > > > cults if the people in them act like adults. They can only become cults > > > if most of them act like children, and as if the gurus and the fellow > > > cultists around them trying to make them "more like them" are right. > > > > > > Me, in this rap and in any of my others, I'm not trying to change any of > > > you and make you more like anything, much less me. All I do occasionally > > > is point out that there are many on this forum who ARE trying to change > > > you and make you more like them. If you like that, and like being > > > treated like children by those who feel that they are entitled to treat > > > you that way, go for it. I'm going to -- as Curtis suggests -- focus > > > more on ignoring the "entitled" and hanging out with folks who are a > > > little more like adults. > > > > > >
