Denise, That's an excellent way to handle strangers. Beware of wolves in sheep's clothing. IOW, don't listen to false prophets.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans <dmevans365@...> wrote: > > That might be too personal for me...I have trust issues :)  My typical MO is > to give these "healer" people no information about me whatsoever, so whatever > they are doing is not influenced in some subconscious or conscious way by > preconceived notions or judgements.  If I think, feel, or intuit that they > are being influenced heavily by either their own, or my own pathologies, I > stop seeing them or dismiss their conclusions.  You know too much already. >  I'm going to get some referrals and do some research about who is in the > Seattle area.  If you know anyone here, let me know.  There are a lot of > people out there that don't meet the grade, for me. > > Thank you, though.  BTW, were you at the Bellevue Ammachi event?  If so, > did you come to the free darshan day(s) or did you pay for the weekend? > > > ________________________________ > From: Ravi Yogi <raviyogi@...> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 12:52 AM > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: [Fairfield Life] Can an enlightened person > have lust? > > >  > Screw Ammachi..you have me now, I can entertain you..:-). It's good you found > something of value. > > Anyway the strongest Sign in a chart is rarely the Sun sign, in my case Sun > is in Capricorn. Your Sun depending on the degree could actually be in Libra > for your Vedic chart or sidereal zodiac. > > You can send me your horoscope to my email and you can win a free > personalized horoscope from the mad yogi himself..LOL..damn I still have one > pending for a friend of mine, but whatever. > > > > ________________________________ > From: Denise Evans <dmevans365@...> > To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sat, November 12, 2011 12:41:55 AM > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: [Fairfield Life] Can an enlightened person > have lust? > >  > Astrology...another topic I know little about...it's my Sun (Tropical?) sign, > but I don't fit the classic internet description completely.  I am not a > jealous person, nor into revenge, or all the other mean things they say about > us.  > > I've been thinking I'm going to have some version of my chart done...maybe it > will shed some light on WTF is going on.  It's probably not a brain > tumor...just years of extreme stress and difficult relationships.  I am > ecstatic to be by myself at this point and have never wanted to be married. >  Oh yeah, the kids....their SuperMom may be turning into a > Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious Mom, it's simply quite atrocious. > > Sex is Love and Love is Sex in my ideal world :)  > > I laughed a lot through your interview (every time you grinned) but at the > same time, a lot of what you were saying was making sense to me on some > level.  Gotta go. > > > ________________________________ > From: Ravi Yogi <raviyogi@...> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 12:27 AM > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: [Fairfield Life] Can an enlightened person > have lust? > > >  > Oh no..not brain tumor, god I hope not. Please have it checked out. Could be > the cranial sacral, either way take care of yourself and sometimes it makes > more sense after the dust settles. > > LOL..on watching my Batgap video, I was very high, looking back the interview > was probably a bit premature. I agree with most of what I said, its more like > talking about a game while the game's still on. I can do a much better > post-match analysis now, but who knows may be the game's still on?? So > whatever happened was probably the best. > > When you say Scorpio is that Tropical zodiac? I'm a Scorpio myself, not by > the virtue of Sun being in Tropical Scorpio but my Mars, Venus and ascendant > lord Jupiter in Scorpio. So it's all about sex, sex, sex..LOL.. > > What to to say about the foolishness and audacity of some of the idiots here > trying to think they can sell their impotent, perverted, repressed views on > sex unchallenged. > > > > ________________________________ > From: Denise Evans <dmevans365@...> > To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sat, November 12, 2011 12:12:56 AM > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: [Fairfield Life] Can an enlightened person > have lust? > >  > Ravi, I get this...I completely understand this.  Also, I watched your Bat > Gap (most of it) interview this week.  It helped me with my current > situation because something very odd is going on with me energetically. >  Maybe its a brain tumor.  Maybe it's just that the work my cranial sacral > guy is doing to subtly manipulate my structure to clear the blockages and > allow it to receive and express "life force" energy (or something like > that...again, I am trying not to over think or ask too much of my brain at > this time) is working.  > > Also, remember, I am a Scorpio woman and haven't been shut down my whole > life, just the last few years and I was honestly, pretty happy about it for a > number of reasons :)  Now, it appears that my energy may be returning....I > blame it on the FFL shaktipat effect (or should I be saying "shot put". > >   > > > ________________________________ > From: Ravi Yogi <raviyogi@...> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 11:54 PM > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: [Fairfield Life] Can an enlightened person > have lust? > > >  > Dear Denise, > > FWIW I don't say anything anything that's not my experience. I kept my > fucking mouth shut for 38 years - in fact I thought it was stupid to engage > in spiritual discussions. > > My experiences on sex match Sri Bhagwan and Osho say. I was tremendously > blessed by the existence to marry a woman who made me feel like an abuser, > pimp for daring to even entertain the thoughts of having sex with my own wife. > > I was extremely virile, with strong sexual desire but for me sex always > followed love so I couldn't beg my ex for sex, I was too proud nor was I like > John, Willytex to force myself on her because I had a fucking license to > sleep with her. > > I suffered tremendously with shame, guilt, my sexual fantasies. Not to talk > about the anger, bitterness I felt at being constantly rejected of the > tremendous love and attraction I felt for my ex. > > I was forced to internalize them and through the grace of Mother Kali power > heal and ascend. > > You can't blame for that can you? My ex was only Guru. > > Love - Ravi > > > > ________________________________ > From: Denise Evans <dmevans365@...> > To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Fri, November 11, 2011 11:43:00 PM > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: [Fairfield Life] Can an enlightened person > have lust? > >  > Damn, it always gets back to "for the enlightened one......".  I'll have to > make more of an effort to become "enlightened" in my next life.  > > > ________________________________ > From: Ravi Yogi <raviyogi@...> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 11:11 PM > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: [Fairfield Life] Can an enlightened person > have lust? > > >  > Denise, > > Yes - What Sri Bhagwan says is exactly what Osho would have said. > > I have said before, but I would say that for an enlightened there is lust but > there is no pain and suffering. Animal-like, animals have sex but it's not > mental, it's not in the mind (which Sri Bhagwan referred to as > psychological), they don't suffer from guilt, shame. > > > In the absence of beliefs such as sex is sin - sex is seen for what it is > just a biological need. No shame, no guilt, no archetypal guilt of abuser > or being abused, hence no pain or suffering. > > > > ________________________________ > From: Denise Evans <dmevans365@...> > To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Fri, November 11, 2011 11:02:09 PM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: [Fairfield Life] Can an enlightened person have > lust? > >  > This conversation has been kicked around plenty and is now passe.  However, > I'm sending this anyway.  I simply could  not understand Sri Bhagavan on > the video John sent so I decided to transcribe him and then I had to comment > below because it was so non-sensical.  I did understand OSHO - his word > choices came across more clearly and he was far funnier, I must say.  > > Sri Bhagavan and OSHO are trying to say the same thing...are they not?  If > one pulls way up and doesn't getting confused by the minutia or their > personal beliefs [such as OSHO stating that God raped the Virgin Mary and > marriage inhibits freedom (paraphrased)]?  > > Sri Bhagavan speaks more indirectly.  I think he may be trying to cater to > the American puritan roots and his ability with the English language may be > inhibiting clear thought presentation as well. OSHO always has a crazy look > in his eye and had me ROTFLMAO, if for no other reason than the pure > irreverence of his statements.  > > > "Word Up"... Who has time for all that "psychological romance stuff." > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZjAantupsA > > > SRI BHAGAVAN - transcribed > > Question: Does lust exist for an enlightened person? > > Answer:  Enlightened people can also have children, like unenlightened > people.  (Meaning that enlightened people can procreate...obviously - it's a > biological function.) > > If an enlightened person has got lust, we can talk about lust, > biologicallust.  In normal people, it is psychological lust. > (Biological/psychological...it's all interrelated and it's all biological > because that's the way the hormones work in the body. He's parsing to make a > point, which is that enlightened people can have lust too, so yes, John, > please feel free to sleep with your wife this week too :).  He's just trying > to create an artificial boundary in order to keep the enlightened man in a > separate category.) > > For the enlightened person, it is more animal like, it is just part of the > body, that's all (I think that perhaps what he is really trying to say is > that the enlightened man realizes that consciousness encompasses (wrong word > choice?) the body and that the body comes with animal instincts....yes, my > kids started learning how their body works in elementary school..no big aha > moment here.) > > Now, the unenlightened person can sit alone and be thinking about lust (Yes, > she can). > > The enlightened man cannot do that because the mind doesn't come up with > supporting pictures. (Yeah, right - FFL is a good example of the truth of > this statement.) So, there is no mental lust or psychological lust.  (Again, > it's all the same thing so yes, there is.  He's also speaking to our > American puritan-based roots which create self-talk that says..."we know it's > wrong but we can't help ourselves." ). > > But, let us say there is a woman - understanding there can be physical lust. >  And of course he (the enlightened man) is not going to violate any law and > may have a relationship with his wife and produce children.  But, this > biological lust is really really little (Yeah, right)  - and can be a good > solution to population problems (Please, stop). > > But, then let us say there is a person - an enlightened person - and there is > a woman going there and there is physical lust.  After she moves away from > the range of vision - it's gone - he cannot think about her (I think he's > trying to say that an enlightened man stays in the moment). > > Lust came, lust went - that's all.  It will not cause a problem (It might > for the woman...stereotypical male statement).  But, the other > (unenlightened man) will be thinking of....will go off and chase.....that > does not happen for the enlightened person (Yeah, like celebrities. Women > come to them.)  > > After this week of reading all your posts, I might beg to differ on that > point, but never mind me, I'm an unenlightened, depressed, stressed, > fear-based, shame-based, slightly overweight, > immuno-compromised, middle-aged, woman.  Whew - now there's a good visual. >  Luckily, my personal version of the hopey-changey thing is beginning to > work for me.  I don't always know what FFL is saying, but what I'm hearing > is: "It's o.k., you can be here, we have a lot of experience with realities > here, we are experts in management here. Oh, by the way, have you heard the > one about the Raja's and the Domers?"  > > OSHO > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ocbZhRQS9I > > > No transcribing needed. > > Freedom-hoppin' starts in pretty good here after the song gets rolling - tee > hee:  > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rd8VzNGjL0&feature=related > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  >
