That would mean having 20 horoscopes calculated and printed out in a form that can be electronically sent. You would not even have to send your birthday data. A horoscope is supposed to contain all there is about you, the birth date is only needed to generate it. So you would probably need a program to generate the output. Use 20 different dates, and use the correct one only once. Actually you need your birth location and time to the second. Remove any dates of birth in the output. Then an astrologer has to work entirely from the horoscope, rather than pick up on visual and verbal cues from the person. In other words, you cannot be pumped for acknowledging feedback that gives them clues as to what you think about what they say.
What you say on the web will persist. There is some safety in anonymity. We are being tracked on the web in ways we cannot imagine. Bye bye Denise, hello ???? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans <dmevans365@...> wrote: > > Ha. Â That would be pretty convincing, actually. Â I hate to ask such a > stupid question as I could probably take some initiative and get the answer > myself, but when you say "send a horoscope", what does that mean in terms of > data requirements? > > I'm planning to unsuscribe Monday and reappear under a more anonymous > moniker. Â I am sufficiently paranoid about what I have posted here being > found by some future employer and others. Â I googled myself last week out of > curiosity and the Occupy Seattle pics I posted came up tagged to FFL. > Luckily, that's not a huge deal. Â I've been fairly transparent here, > probably because the distance gives me some sense of security. Â Having never > participated in an interactive forum like this, and never intending to, I > didn't think it through in advance. > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius <anartaxius@...> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 12:50 PM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: [Fairfield Life] Can an enlightened person have > lust? > > > Â > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans <dmevans365@> wrote: > > > > That might be too personal for me...I have trust issues :) ÃÂ My typical > > MO is to give these "healer" people no information about me whatsoever, so > > whatever they are doing is not influenced in some subconscious or conscious > > way by preconceived notions or judgements. ÃÂ If I think, feel, or intuit > > that they are being influenced heavily by either their own, or my own > > pathologies, I stop seeing them or dismiss their conclusions. ÃÂ You know > > too much already. ÃÂ > > You could send him 20 different horoscopes and have him pick out the correct > one to work on based on what you post here. That would statistically be at > the 95% confidence level. > > >I'm going to get some referrals and do some research about who is in the > >Seattle area. ÃÂ If you know anyone here, let me know. ÃÂ There are a lot > >of people out there that don't meet the grade, for me. > > > > Thank you, though. ÃÂ BTW, were you at the Bellevue Ammachi event? ÃÂ If > > so, did you come to the free darshan day(s) or did you pay for the > > weekend?ÃÂ > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Ravi Yogi <raviyogi@> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 12:52 AM > > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: [Fairfield Life] Can an enlightened person > > have lust? > > > > > > ÃÂ > > Screw Ammachi..you have me now, I can entertain you..:-). It's good you > > found something of value. > > > > Anyway the strongest Sign in a chart is rarely the Sun sign, in my case Sun > > is in Capricorn. Your Sun depending on the degree could actually be in > > Libra for your Vedic chart or sidereal zodiac. > > > > You can send me your horoscope to my email and you can win a free > > personalized horoscope from the mad yogi himself..LOL..damn I still have > > one pending for a friend of mine, but whatever. > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Denise Evans <dmevans365@> > > To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Sat, November 12, 2011 12:41:55 AM > > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: [Fairfield Life] Can an enlightened person > > have lust? > > > > ÃÂ > > Astrology...another topic I know little about...it's my Sun (Tropical?) > > sign, but I don't fit the classic internet description completely. ÃÂ I am > > not a jealous person, nor into revenge, or all the other mean things they > > say about us. ÃÂ > > > > I've been thinking I'm going to have some version of my chart done...maybe > > it will shed some light on WTF is going on. ÃÂ It's probably not a brain > > tumor...just years of extreme stress and difficult relationships. ÃÂ I am > > ecstatic to be by myself at this point and have never wanted to be married. > > ÃÂ Oh yeah, the kids....their SuperMom may be turning into a > > Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious Mom, it's simply quite atrocious. > > > > Sex is Love and Love is Sex in my ideal world :) ÃÂ > > > > I laughed a lot through your interview (every time you grinned) but at the > > same time, a lot of what you were saying was making sense to me on some > > level. ÃÂ Gotta go. > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Ravi Yogi <raviyogi@> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 12:27 AM > > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: [Fairfield Life] Can an enlightened person > > have lust? > > > > > > ÃÂ > > Oh no..not brain tumor, god I hope not. Please have it checked out. Could > > be the cranial sacral, either way take care of yourself and sometimes it > > makes more sense after the dust settles. > > > > LOL..on watching my Batgap video, I was very high, looking back the > > interview was probably a bit premature. I agree with most of what I said, > > its more like talking about a game while the game's still on. I can do a > > much better post-match analysis now, but who knows may be the game's still > > on?? So whatever happened was probably the best. > > > > When you say Scorpio is that Tropical zodiac? I'm a Scorpio myself, not by > > the virtue of Sun being in Tropical Scorpio but my Mars, Venus and > > ascendant lord Jupiter in Scorpio. So it's all about sex, sex, sex..LOL.. > > > > What to to say about the foolishness and audacity of some of the idiots > > here trying to think they can sell their impotent, perverted, repressed > > views on sex unchallenged. > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Denise Evans <dmevans365@> > > To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Sat, November 12, 2011 12:12:56 AM > > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: [Fairfield Life] Can an enlightened person > > have lust? > > > > ÃÂ > > Ravi, I get this...I completely understand this. ÃÂ Also, I watched your > > Bat Gap (most of it) interview this week. ÃÂ It helped me with my current > > situation because something very odd is going on with me energetically. > > ÃÂ Maybe its a brain tumor. ÃÂ Maybe it's just that the work my cranial > > sacral guy is doing to subtly manipulate my structure to clear the > > blockages and allow it to receive and express "life force" energy (or > > something like that...again, I am trying not to over think or ask too much > > of my brain at this time) is working. ÃÂ > > > > Also, remember, I am a Scorpio woman and haven't been shut down my whole > > life, just the last few years and I was honestly, pretty happy about it for > > a number of reasons :) ÃÂ Now, it appears that my energy may be > > returning....I blame it on the FFL shaktipat effect (or should I be saying > > "shot put". > > > > ÃÂ ÃÂ > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Ravi Yogi <raviyogi@> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 11:54 PM > > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: [Fairfield Life] Can an enlightened person > > have lust? > > > > > > ÃÂ > > Dear Denise, > > > > FWIW I don't say anything anything that's not my experience. I kept my > > fucking mouth shut for 38 years - in fact I thought it was stupid to engage > > in spiritual discussions. > > > > My experiences on sex match Sri Bhagwan and Osho say. I was tremendously > > blessed by the existence to marry a woman who made me feel like an abuser, > > pimp for daring to even entertain the thoughts of having sex with my own > > wife. > > > > I was extremely virile, with strong sexual desire but for me sex always > > followed love so I couldn't beg my ex for sex, I was too proud nor was I > > like John, Willytex to force myself on her because I had a fucking license > > to sleep with her. > > > > I suffered tremendously with shame, guilt, my sexual fantasies. Not to talk > > about the anger, bitterness I felt at being constantly rejected of the > > tremendous love and attraction I felt for my ex. > > > > I was forced to internalize them and through the grace of Mother Kali power > > heal and ascend. > > > > You can't blame for that can you? My ex was only Guru. > > > > Love - Ravi > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Denise Evans <dmevans365@> > > To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Fri, November 11, 2011 11:43:00 PM > > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: [Fairfield Life] Can an enlightened person > > have lust? > > > > ÃÂ > > Damn, it always gets back to "for the enlightened one......". ÃÂ I'll have > > to make more of an effort to become "enlightened" in my next life. ÃÂ > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Ravi Yogi <raviyogi@> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 11:11 PM > > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: [Fairfield Life] Can an enlightened person > > have lust? > > > > > > ÃÂ > > Denise, > > > > Yes - What Sri Bhagwan says is exactly what Osho would have said. > > > > I have said before, but I would say that for an enlightened there is lust > > but there is no pain and suffering. Animal-like, animals have sex but it's > > not mental, it's not in the mind (which Sri Bhagwan referred to as > > psychological), they don't suffer from guilt, shame. > > > > > > In the absence of beliefs such as sex is sin - sex is seen for what it is > > just a biological need. No shame, no guilt, no archetypalÃÂ guiltÃÂ of > > abuser or being abused, hence no pain or suffering. > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Denise Evans <dmevans365@> > > To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Fri, November 11, 2011 11:02:09 PM > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: [Fairfield Life] Can an enlightened person > > have lust? > > > > ÃÂ > > This conversation has been kicked around plenty and is now passe. > > ÃÂ However, I'm sending this anyway. ÃÂ I simply could ÃÂ not understand > > Sri Bhagavan on the video John sent so I decided to transcribe him and then > > I had to comment below because it was so non-sensical. ÃÂ I did understand > > OSHO - his word choices came across more clearly and he was far funnier, I > > must say. ÃÂ > > > > Sri Bhagavan and OSHO are trying to say the same thing...are they not? > > ÃÂ If one pulls way up and doesn't getting confused by the minutia or > > their personal beliefs [such as OSHO stating that God raped the Virgin Mary > > and marriage inhibits freedom (paraphrased)]? ÃÂ > > > > Sri Bhagavan speaks more indirectly. ÃÂ I think he may be trying to cater > > to the American puritan roots and his ability with the English language may > > be inhibiting clear thought presentation as well.ÃÂ OSHO always has a > > crazy look in his eye and had me ROTFLMAO, if for no other reason than the > > pure irreverence of his statements. ÃÂ > > > > > > "Word Up"... Who has time for all that "psychological romance stuff."ÃÂ > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZjAantupsA > > > > > > SRI BHAGAVAN - transcribed > > > > Question: Does lust exist for an enlightened person? > > > > Answer: ÃÂ Enlightened people can also have children, like unenlightened > > people. ÃÂ (Meaning that enlightened people can procreate...obviously - > > it's a biological function.) > > > > If an enlightened person has got lust, we can talk about lust, > > biologicallust. ÃÂ In normal people, it is psychological lust. > > (Biological/psychological...it's all interrelated and it's all biological > > because that's the way the hormones work in the body. He's parsing to make > > a point, which is that enlightened people can have lust too, so yes, John, > > please feel free to sleep with your wife this week too :). ÃÂ He's just > > trying to create an artificial boundary in order to keep the enlightened > > man in a separate category.)ÃÂ > > > > For the enlightened person, it is more animal like, it is just part of the > > body, that's all (I think that perhaps what he is really trying to say is > > that the enlightened man realizes that consciousness encompasses (wrong > > word choice?) the body and that the body comes with animal > > instincts....yes, my kids started learning how their body works in > > elementary school..no big aha moment here.) > > > > Now, the unenlightened person can sit alone and be thinking about lust > > (Yes, she can).ÃÂ > > > > The enlightened man cannot do that because the mind doesn't come up with > > supporting pictures. (Yeah, right - FFL is a good example of the truth of > > this statement.) So, there is no mental lust or psychological lust. > > ÃÂ (Again, it's all the same thing so yes, there is. ÃÂ He's also > > speaking to our American puritan-based roots which create self-talk that > > says..."we know it's wrong butÃÂ we can't help ourselves." ). > > > > But, let us say there is a woman - understanding there can be physical > > lust. ÃÂ And of course he (the enlightened man) is not going to violate > > any law and may have a relationship with his wife and produce children. > > ÃÂ But, this biological lust is really really little (Yeah, right) ÃÂ - > > and can be a good solution to population problems (Please, stop). > > > > But, then let us say there is a person - an enlightened person - and there > > is a woman going there and there is physical lust. ÃÂ After she moves away > > from the range of vision - it's gone - he cannot think about her (I think > > he's trying to say that an enlightened man stays in the moment). > > > > Lust came, lust went - that's all. ÃÂ It will not cause a problem (It > > might for the woman...stereotypical male statement). ÃÂ But, the other > > (unenlightened man) will be thinking of....will go off and chase.....that > > does not happen for the enlightened person (Yeah, like celebrities. Women > > come to them.) ÃÂ > > > > After this week of reading all your posts, I might beg to differ on that > > point, but never mind me, I'm an unenlightened, depressed, stressed, > > fear-based, shame-based, slightly overweight, > > immuno-compromised,ÃÂ middle-aged,ÃÂ woman. ÃÂ Whew - now there's a good > > visual. ÃÂ Luckily, my personal version of the hopey-changey thing is > > beginning to work for me. ÃÂ I don't always know what FFL is saying, but > > what I'm hearing is: "It's o.k., you can be here, we have a lot of > > experience with realities here,ÃÂ we are experts in management here. Oh, > > by the way, have you heard the one about the Raja's and the Domers?" ÃÂ > > > > OSHO > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ocbZhRQS9I > > > > > > No transcribing needed. > > > > Freedom-hoppin' starts in pretty good here after the song gets rolling - > > tee hee: ÃÂ > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rd8VzNGjL0&feature=related > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÂ > > >
