You're right, Steve. I was wrong about Vaj. Are you an initiator by the wayor an ex-initiator? I feel quite liberated knowing that Vajas I really do feel now after reading your critical postactually did go down on his knees in front of Guru Dev, really did transcend, really did round his brains out in Europe, really did feel the grace of Maharishi.
You are an unconscious sentimentalist, Steve; you are predisposed to see the universe in such a way that it makes intolerable this judgmentand apprehensionthat Vaj is a Walter Mitty kind of guy. Where you sense Vaj is being honest is virtually an abstract reality compared to where we former TM teachers in our very bones recognize that he is a stranger to TM and Maharishi and doing Pujas to initiate persons into Transcendental Meditation. This one tendency in you, Steve, it is the key to understanding where youquite innocently mind youmiss the deeper cues of reality. Commendable, however, this spirit of charity and well-wishing. But you are wrong, You might think about improving your Negative Capability [google it]. Still, the motives you have are laudable, and I wish they produced the sense of truthfulness. But you understand: I have to remain committed to my prejudices, and even if I knew that Vaj was an authentic reporter of his experiences doing TM and being an initiator, I would still have to pretend that I disbelieved him; for think what a hit my reputation would take if Vaj produced one iota of evidence to verify his claims. Even then, when he has established that he wasn't born in Kenya but in Hawaii, like he said, I would still have to be a birtherbecause I can't tolerate reality proving me to be wrong. I am grateful, then, Steve, on behalf of Vaj, that you are, within a minority of readers I believe at FFL, willing to martyr yourself for the truth. After all the rest of us are simply motivated by will will and bitterness. We need a scapegoat and poor Vaj is it. No, Steven, I have to say it: You are deceived about the TM bona fides of Vaj. He knows it. Reality knows it. Nevertheless keep up with the good guy intentions, because they do make you someone most likeable. And by the way, I stopped playing hockey at 6 years old when we moved from Ottawa to the West Coast, where i took upfanaticallyanother sport. I was very good at it when I was 14, but mysteriously deteriorated after that, being more skillful then at 14 than I was at 19. Strange kind of providence that was. I never got over it. It is a wonder to me that Vaj himself does not involuntarily betray the innocence of his relief that someone on FFL truly believes his story. But no, almost in a perfect Jesus Christ way, he scrupulously makes sure that everyone is justified in their suspicion that he is making the whole thing up. You have seen through his contrived crucifixion; but have you understand why he is determined not to prove that he is telling the truth about himself? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" <steve.sundur@...> wrote: > > > > If I were on a jury, and had to make a determination based on the > evidence I have heard over my time on FFL, I would say that IMO the > evidence is irrefutable (or at least beyond a reasonable doubt) that Vaj > was a very active participant in the TMO. > > To me the only evidience, (or lack of evidence in this case) is that no > one, here at least, seems to have personal knowledge of his > participation. But no one here, except on one ocassion, (Jim Flanagan), > has ever brought this up. > > And based on what I have heard here, Vaj also has an intimate > understanding of Robin's past stint as being the leader of his own > spirtitual group. > > So, the accusations listed below don't realy strike a chord with me. > Vaj is a pesky adversary, and I have found his arguments to be pretty > tight. > > I don't find instances of the outright lies of which he is often > accused. > > The most egregious behavior of Vaj's I have found so far was when he > intentially over posted some time back to foul up the system, just to > try to test the moderators post counting, (or something along these > lines). I think Alex got pretty pissed off, and I didn't blame him. > > And quite honestly, I thought that indicated a real lack of integrity on > Vaj's part. > > , --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <vajradhatu@> wrote: > > > > You really missed the mark again Robin - you're not even close to the > truth. What's up with that? How can you so consistently hit the mark. Do > you have a straw man fetish or something? > > > > On Dec 18, 2011, at 12:32 AM, maskedzebra wrote: > > > > > 1. You never seek to address the essence of what someone says in a > given post. > > > > > > 2. You selectively chose segments from a post which you choose to > comment on, and those segments usually do not bear upon the fundamental > point or theme of the post. You ignore the most important ideas of a > given post. You are only interested in using certain aspects of the post > to serve your own strange and essentially negative agenda. > > > > > > 3. You have no motivation that is based upon wanting learn something > at FFL, or to clarify some idea, or to argue with some expectation of > resolving an issue. > > > > > > 4. You have no feel for the truth of anything you say; you are not > governed by fact or honesty in your posts. > > > > > > 5. You are an archivist who then appropriates the material and > information you collect into the claim that you have lived out these > experiences. This is classic fantasizing. > > > > > > 6. You don't know how to proceed such as to fulfill your own agenda, > because you are essentially a confused and disoriented person when it > comes to knowing what you are up to when you post at FFL. > > > > > > 7. You don't know where you are at any moment in your interaction > with various persons here at FFL. There is no intellectual or moral or > even psychological coherence in what you write such that the reader can > estimate where you are going with your posts. You don't know what you > are doing at FFL, Vaj: FFL is like some kind of dream you are having and > inside that dream you are behaving bizarrely > > > > > > 8. "Who the hell is Tim Tebow?"direct quote from Vaj two weeks > ago. Now it's: "I knew who he was; I just wasn't that interested". Do > you ever admit to yourself, not to say others, when you deliberately > make what is unreal for you into something that then becomes part of > your personal history, as if you have passed through the experience; > meanwhile what you say you have lived through remains separate from you > entirely. It is never something that is inside of you? > > > > > > 9. You are in some kind of disassociated state, Vaj: because you > don't ever connect the dots. You don't know where you are going; you > don't know what you are doing; you have no contact with reality. You are > in a very bad state indeed. > > > > > > 10. You lieand evidently it has reached the point where even > you don't know the difference between saying something that is not true > and saying something that is true. The line between what is a lie and > what is the truth has become so blurred that you don't even know what it > is like to know that something really happened to you as opposed to > something that never happened to you. > > > > > > 11. You have no idea of the common denominator of experience of most > everyone on this forum. > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 17, 2011, at 3:01 PM, maskedzebra wrote: > > > > > > > > > One thing (you wouldn't know about this personally) about TM and > Maharishi: it makes you contemptuous and patronizing when it comes to > discussing Christianity. > > > > > > > > Well, unfortunately for you, you've probably lost the best conduit > to speak deeply re: Christianity & TM in the person of Rev. Curtis D. > Blues - as he's the person on this list who spent the most time and > attention (that I'm aware of) getting to know the Catholic > priest-meditators-as-TMers - the biggies (most if not all whom saw > through the veneer of the Faux Holey Tradition and parted ways with TM). > I think those who drank deeply of a mystical Christianity broke easily > with the sandy ground of TM, based on the rock of their > Christ-consciousness. Those with a more superficial Christian > sand-consciousness are doomed to the purgatory of up-bubbling mantra > till they part their mortal frame > > > > > > > > At one time Christian Centering Prayer actually resembled TM, > although now, not at all. I attribute that change to the Catholic > contemplative break with TM-as-perrenialist-panacea and Thomas > Keating. > > > > > > > > > But I think the real giveaway about the East is its implicit > sense of superiority over Catholicism, when in fact this very posture is > itself evidence of something ultimately not in agreement with reality. > > > > > > > > Depends on the POV - the "east" is not one homogeneous whole - > it's many Points of View, sometimes not merely differing paths on the > same mountain (the Perennialists view), but more frequently different > mountains altogether. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You never knew who Tim Tebow was a few weeks ago. I am glad you > are now fully au courant. > > > > > > > > On reflection, I had heard of him, I just had little interest. For > me, commercial sports is the primary mechanism for embruing the > acceptability of endless war on our children. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But you are right: I will be ambivalent tomorrow; I like the > Tebow miracle storyline, but I also love those Bill Belichick-coached > Patriots. Tom Brady and Sidney Crosby and Roger Federer and Jonny > Wilkenson are my favourite athletes. > > > > > > > > > > But I do like Tim Tebow very much: if only for his impressive > humility. > > > > > > > > Indeed, a wonderful human quality so lacking in Christofascism; > but I do not know enough of Mr. Tebow to comment on his humility. I > believe it was you who once said the sole redeeming quality of mundane > Christianity was to keep a person clean till their next life (after > which time they'd presumably take up a higher path). > > > > > > > > > > > > >
