--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" <anartaxius@...> wrote: > > This message following from the archive seems to be a > reference to Vaj's TM knowledge. As I have been on the forum > for only less than a year, this is before my knowledge of who > what writing what about whom. So doubt about Vaj seems to go > back some time, more than half a decade.
And years before that on alt.meditation.transcendental. > I have removed some personal references from the message > (indicated by *). There's really no need to remove those references since Vaj *did* use his real name on his posts back then, as it turns out. Some of them are still in the Yahoo archive (although Vaj has had a long habit of deleting many of his posts). Plus which, the entire post, without any deletions, can easily be found through a search at the Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com/ There are some interesting links in it to Vaj-related material. You can easily follow the thread there as well. Nobody, as it happens, jumped in to defend Vaj's alleged TM status, even though at that point FFLers knew his real name. > It seems as if one of the posters also does not appear as > there are three levels of posts in the message, but only > two posters mentioned. I do not know who they are. The poster was t3rinity (aka Michael). He was commenting on a post from off_world_beings, who was commenting on a post from Vaj (the first quote below, about "training wheels"). I've inserted the posters' names in brackets below for clarity: > -------------------------------- > [FairfieldLife] Re: The Kaplan Money > > t3rinity > Tue, 17 May 2005 07:14:40 -0700 > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: [Vaj wrote:] > > > TM is just meditation with supports. The support is the mantra. > > > Supports are like training wheels. Eventually you drop the > > > training wheels.>> > > [off_world_beings wrote:] > > You really don't seem to have ever learned TM. It is as if you > > never learned it. I'm not being sarcastic. Any TM'r reading your > > posts, it is as if you really don't understand the technique. > [t3rinity wrote:] > How would he? If he ever learned TM he must have forgotten it > completely. > > * > > Not, that it is wrong to have many interests. But I wonder, > how you can be a Nathist, as he claims he is initiated into > the Nath order, and a Shri Vidhya practitionar, of the > Shankara order, and a Tibetan Buddhist at the same time. > That's just like if you are a Mormon, a Catholic priest, and > a Babtist simultaneausly, while just 2-3 years ago he was a > Freemasonic brother. > > I think it's relatively easy to just gather info's from the > net, read some books, watch some discussion. It's quite > another thing to follow a path committedly over decades. > > So I think Vaj aka Vajranatha aka * aka * just wants to > show up. > > ----------------------------- > > TM involves some cultish jargon, and anyone involved therein > tends to pick that up - it is hard to disguise habit. Vaj > never seems to me to 'sound' or 'feel' like a TMer. That is > not a proof, but his explanation that he just does not want > to use those expressions seems a bit lame, since he does not > seem to be able to translate them to different language in a > way that they are still recognisable. For example in the > 1960s Maharishi said TM 'lures the mind'. That is not common > today in TM-speak, but the intent is recognisable as a > feature of how TM works. > > He seems well versed in other things not related directly to > TM; I think he would have a stronger presence here if he just > owned up that he was not a teacher, and maybe not even a TM > meditator, and played to his strong points.
