Whoops, you were addressing Jim directly. Sorry. I'll tell you the funniest thing for me.....that I would make a statement that this forum was the "next indicated step" for me at the time (because I was following directions) to where I might go to save my sanity! Now, that IS funny to me.
________________________________ From: seventhray1 <steve.sun...@sbcglobal.net> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 2, 2012 6:42 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Happy new year to everyone !!! (And more love bombing..) Jim, you're right. I have to learn that others can read the same things I do and come to completely different conclusions. To me, making insinuations about a person sex life, or imply sexual perversions would be an area we would want to stay away from for various reasons, not the least of which is that some people are pretty transparant about their real identities. And because of that, you would think that there would be an unspoken understanding that we don't tread in these areas for gratuitous venting. But as is often the case, if it's not affecting "me", then we are less concerned about it. But obviously that is not a view shared by many others. And I would not hesitate to take a stand against them. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "futur.musik" <futur.musik@...> wrote: > > Hi Steve, I didn't begin to cast my vitriol in anyone's direction on here > until it became clear to me they have zero to contribute, except shutting > down people's ideas, and being nasty. With Curtis, I like Curtis - I am > sometimes pointed about my impressions of him. So what? I basically respect > him. > > If it turns out that Ravi is out to injure our reputations and does this sort > of thing regularly, I wont be happy about it, but that is quite a leap from > here. So far, all I see is him messing around with you and others, and > creating a disturbance, and being very upfront about it. > > He doesn't even begin to rise to the level of stupidity and plain > obnoxiousness as a couple of others here. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" steve.sundur@ wrote: > > > > Do I understand this right Jim? You who are the most vitriolic in your > > comments to Barry, Vaj, and to a lessor extent Curtis, now come in with > > some philosophical justification of why we don't need to call out BS and > > dishonesty when and where we see it. I call it hypocrisy. > > Yea, it's uncomfortable to have to call out people we like when they > > have stepped far out of bounds, but when we don't it's pretty obvious, > > and doesn't reflect too well on us. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "futur.musik" <futur.musik@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi Susan, One thing I like to watch on FFL is context. I don't know if > > you remember even a year ago or less, when one or two of the folks here > > would write daily screeds against whole groups of people, a low level > > toxicity on a daily basis - more politically correct certainly, but not > > dissimilar to having a racist continually rant against black people. > > > > > > It became the norm. Most of us just laughed it off. Sometimes the > > attacks got very nasty, and were always distorted, but almost no one > > noticed. This became daily life on FFL. We were used to it. > > > > > > Then several months ago, a new group of posters showed up and, lo and > > behold, they are fiercely challenging what has become the status quo > > here. Just by showing up they have created an environment closer to what > > was intended when FFL started; the will to discover, vs. believe. > > > > > > I for one find it refreshing that it is once again possible to talk > > about anything at all on here, without having long winded tracts of BS > > stinking up the place on a daily basis. I don't agree with everything > > that is said here, but at least now there is variety and vitality. > > > > > > As for anything said about Curtis, he isn't shy about his opinions and > > can take care of himself I am sure. Please correct me on that if I am > > wrong Curtis, though I will cringe if you do... > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" wayback71@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > <curtisdeltablues@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <jstein@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > <curtisdeltablues@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wow, nothing like hearing an excellent reputation that my ass > > > > > > > now has to try to live up to! Thanks Marek! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Untethered" is such an excellent word. I think the egging on > > > > > > > has to do with the fact that some of the new posters figured > > > > > > > out the social system. If you throw mud at Barry and Vaj and > > > > > > > myself, certain people will have your back. > > > > > > > > > > > > Says Curtis, parroting one of Barry's more ridiculous > > > > > > excuses, a variant of the one he borrowed yesterday. > > > > > > > > > > Wow, I was giving you the benefit of the doubt with that reason. > > Then you genuinely support Ravi lying about why I left the movement on a > > public forum, his constant use of a slur against people with mental > > disabilities, and and trollish offensive language toward me. > > > > > > > > Hey Judy, you know that I like reading you and respect your honesty > > and common sense. I can't figure out what has been going on with you > > and your willingness to overlook what just happened with Ravi, and what > > has been happening with him. You may dislike Curtis, but come on...... > > Ravi is crossing so many lines here. The only thing I can think of is > > that you got sucked in to a battle you would normally see through. You > > can like Ravi all you want, and still call him on things like using > > "retard," gratuitous insults, and spreading rumors about Curtis. > > Frankly, you and the other fans of Ravi are all feeding into his drama - > > and I don't see that as a kindness to him. And more important, of > > course, it is really lying about someone else's reputation, something I > > know you would not stand for if Curtis were not the victim.. > > > > > > > > > > Your double standards goes so much deeper than I imagined. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was a simple > > > > > > > social formula that has shielded some posters from a more > > > > > > > unanimous group, WTF? In this particular context I think > > > > > > > there is a callus > > > > > > > > > > > > (callous, adj.; callus, noun) (This correction is provided > > > > > > so Curtis can make a show of thanking me for it while > > > > > > pointedly ignoring the rest of what I said.) > > > > > > > > > > As always I appreciate these corrections that my robots failed me > > on. The last time it was the only thing worth commenting on in your > > post and it caused such a fuss. The exact one I was trying to avoid by > > not responding to your taunts in that post. > > > > > > > > > > And unlike Ravi (that is a long A right?) I have a serious > > commitment to the integrity of my point of view on the movement > > following my participation in it. Unlike you ,whose strongest > > connection with the movement is your years of Internet arguments about > > it, I have a deep history working in the organization and those are the > > experiences I bring to bear as my creditability when I raise my new POV. > > So although anyone here may know from where Ravi is pulling this lie > > (hint, lack of sun) I don't want to hear this on the next MUM student > > Youtube from Bobby Roth. > > > > > > > > > > So it matters, and you know it matters to me, but you have chosen > > your battles. OK, that's how it rolls here. > > > > > > > > > > But please don't expect me to view your support for his behavior > > to be anything less than direct hypocrisy in the exact area you and > > others give me the most shit about. So we can now put to rest any > > version of your routine about me calling Barry out, right? You are a > > fraud and a poseur of virtue, contrived by malevolent convenience. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > disregard for the welfare of this person being played as a > > > > > > > pawn. There is something unseemly going on in this dynamic, > > > > > > > and I appreciate your speaking up. > > > > > > > > > > > > "Do you really not understand that Ravi has actual problems > > > > > > that shouldn't be speculated about on the Internet like he > > > > > > is our private intellectual toy?"--Curtis to Robin, awhile > > > > > > back > > > > > > > > > > I haven't even begun to speculate on Ravi's situation in detail > > Judy, I've been pulling all my punches as you well know. But the > > situation I am dealing with is of such an obvious nature, nothing needs > > to be said between me and anyone without your personal agenda. > > > > > > > > > > But I have no reason to pull my punches with you so here goes. > > > > > > > > > > Ravi's lie about why I left the movement was reframed as a "tweek" > > by you because you wouldn't mind if such an outspoken critic of all > > things Maharishi was plagued by an internet rumor as having been > > expelled against his will for immoral conduct. You let it slide in a > > demonstration of Carl Rovian tactics against people you disagree with. > > > > > > > > > > So now we both have felt these shoes on both feet haven't we Judy. > > Perhaps now you can understand what I mean when I say I pick my battles > > here. And you can drop the pretense that you are acting differently > > here, running around correcting people for what are obvious, hurtful > > lies in the context of obnoxious mean-spirited trolling. > > > > > > > > > > I don't care if you correct his behavior or not, or why you don't. > > I don't need you to help him make a fool of himself here. But I would > > appreciate your understanding where I am coming from a little better and > > not giving me shit for doing exactly what you are doing here, letting > > people fight their own battles, and dropping in when you feel like > > something interests you or you want to give someone a "tweek". > > > > > > > > > > Just stop being such a F'ing hypocrite about it. > > > > > > > > > > Si capisce? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been fascinated by how far people can stretch their oft > > quoted principles to encourage the enemy of their enemy. It is > > revealing many trollish agendas here. But with kind words from some > > posters here, like yourself, I feel as if there is another option for > > those who value it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks man. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "marekreavis" > > <reavismarek@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's not my habit, at least for the last year or so, to > > interject my opinion into an ongoing thread, but following FFL for the > > last month or two, it's amazed me to observe the willingness of some > > folks here to glorify and encourage what, in my opinion and experience, > > appears to be some very untethered behavior by some of the more recent > > and prolific posters. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And even more inexplicably, to gang up on Curtis, for > > attempting, in a straightforward yet still compassionate way, to engage > > in a reasonable exchange with, and criticism of, those individuals. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For what it's worth, in my estimation Curtis is a true, > > shining example of what I'd always hoped the TM movement to produce. > > There's certainly no one on this board from whom I've learned more. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Curtis certainly doesn't need any endorsement from me, but I > > felt compelled to write, regardless. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
