Fine, but there are 3 parts to becomming a Christian: 1. repentance and by Atonement 2. Sin no more (Buck is working on a list of sins that you can refer to) 3. Accepting Jesus as your Savior, which takes care of the Atonement part since His Sacrifice is a once and for all Substitute for our transgressions....(unless one is Catholic in which case the Atonement is an ongoing process of guilt-ridden works and observances which ultimately may qualify you for Purgatory and ultimately the Paradise....the Kingdom. ... However, if you take the Catholic route, the Atonement part would also include "works" and the Sacraments. (Luther of course differed on this part). ... In any event, I have yet to see the "I accept Jesus as my Personal Savior" part. This should be accompanied by plenty of Tebowing and writing "Jn 3-16" on your tee shirts for all to see. ... On another topic, it may interest you to know that Concrete, WA (NW Washington State, 30 miles from Bellingham); is reported by Ben Collins of Puja.net as being the Center of the Known Universe. http://bencollins.net/journal/2011/6/7/the-center-of-the-universe.html
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra <no_reply@...> wrote: > > You saw nothing, Vaj. Because you were not there. Not one person living will > testify to your physical presence at one of those seminars. And you cannot > furnish a single personalized and particular memory which would verify and > substantiate this claim of yours. You are bearing false witness. What reason > do I have to deny what is the truth? There must be 300 persons out there in > the world who can present evidence of what happened in those seminars. But > you can't, because you did not go through the experience. Sooner or later > someone will speak up about their recollection of those daysand as soon as > they do, I will immediately recognize they have provided the requisite > evidence of the truthfulness of their testimony. This is a striptease you are > performing, Vaj, but you see, you never actually take off any part of your > clothes. Produce the goods, Vaj, because sooner or later someone else *will*, > and then you will have nothing to say in this regard, because I will remember > this person. And they will thus be accorded the authority that you can never > acquire. > > Believe me, Vaj, anyone who was there would never write in the way you have > here. > > And finally: I have repudiated the entire principle and context at the basis > of those seminars. I have renounced my enlightenment. And I have gone a very > long ways towards atoning for whatever I did during those ten years for which > I must held accountable. My personal culpability. > > I must suppose you cannot help yourself in this, Vaj. But how I wish you > would do something to dispel this perfect impression you give of the > unbelievability of all of your claims: about TM, about Maharishi, and about > myself. > > When it comes to TM, Maharishi, and those seminars, second-hand knowledge > just will not do. *You had to be there*. No one who went through that > experience could, even if they tried, produce the lack of credibility that > you do in everything you say about me, about TM, and about Maharishi. > > But this is especially true of the seminars, because the experience there was > unforgettable. Ineffaceable. A particular and concrete memory you have, Vaj: > I would wish so much for you to give this to me. But alas, you cannot, and > until you do I will just have to keep calling you out for what you are doing > here at FFL. > > Still, I appreciated those two posts of yours awhile back. > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <vajradhatu@> wrote: > > > > > > On Jan 13, 2012, at 1:13 PM, maskedzebra wrote: > > > > > Barry: Back in the Bad Old Days, RWC would drag his followers up > > > on stage and yell at them (and possibly even strike them), > > > "pointing out their weaknesses" and telling them exactly > > > what kinds of demons were possessing them. > > > > > > Robin: This is a crude and misinformed and inaccurate description of what > > > went on between 1976 and 1986. I never once struck someone on stage. > > > > Well, that's not what I saw. I cannot say it is accurate that you were > > "beating" them, but it would be accurate to say you were pounding them with > > clenched fists as if in total exasperation and frustration. > > > > > If you read Rory's account from his autobiography you get the very > > > essence of metaphysical theatre that I acted out under my enlightenment. > > > Although not nearly the whole picture. Someone who has a mature and > > > unbiased perspectivewho was therewill eventually speak out on this > > > forum I hope, and then we can hear the other side, which will be > > > critical, but will not resemble in the least the description given here. > > > > I don't know what you'd want us to say? After all, it was not one of the > > things you'd remember by your constant reflection on it. The people, now > > that's something different, because there were (like old rounding courses, > > etc.) a lot of remarkable humans. > > > > > There are persons out there who know all about what happened. And I have > > > already interrogated myself over this very serious matter these past 25 > > > years. And I haven't seen any demons for a few decades, Barry :-)but > > > perhaps now my streak will be broken. > > > > Well if you haven't declared Our Dear Editor demonic by now, it's a given > > that you're third eye blind. In the day I could see the brouhaha build as > > Our Dear Judy was revealed as the very core of resistance to G_d and driven > > from the course by protective students. Incense would be lit. > > > > > You don't ever grasp a hold of reality when you argue like this, Barry. > > > You systematically avoid contact with reality. And it shows. Not to > > > Steve, but to a few others I would think. (I mean besides the horrible > > > woman Judynow talk about abuse: did you read some of her recent posts to > > > me, Barry? Now *that's* what I call abuse.) > > > > Robindra, by the Grace of G_d, open your third eye! > > >
