--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" <anartaxius@...> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" > > <anartaxius@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" > > > > <anartaxius@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" > > > > > > <anartaxius@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > We have the story, from MMY that he was the 'most favoured > > > > > > > disciple', and the story **from others there at the time** > > > > > > > [at Jyotir Math] that MMY was just a clerk. [Perhaps I did > > > > > > > not write this clearly] > > > > > > > > > > > > Your post have plenty of points to discuss. But just the one > > > > > > above, from where did you hear that Maharishi ever said that ? > > > > > > It would be interesting to know, even from 3'rd or 4'th hand. > > > > > > > > > > Others said it, as I said. Maharishi did not say it. Others > > > > > who were at Jyotir Math at the time, said he functioned as a > > > > > clerk, and that was his status. > > > > > > > > I could be wrong, but I assumed Nabby was asking when MMY > > > > had said he was Guru Dev's "most favored disciple." That's > > > > what *I* was going to ask you, at any rate. I've heard that > > > > from "others"--TM teachers and other movement types--but I > > > > never heard MMY say it on any of the tapes. If you had > > > > asked me to choose between "clerk" and something "much more > > > > exalted," I'd have picked "clerk," although "secretary" > > > > or "administrative assistant" would have seemed closer. > > > > > > > > > To my knowledge no one in the movement would say that because > > > > > they got the story of those times that MMY told, which of > > > > > course was that his position was much more exalted. > > > > > > > > Which story was that? > > > > > > > > > Among other stories I have heard, MMY would do things on trips > > > > > away from the ashram, but always would do what Brahmananda > > > > > Saraswati asked him to do first. > > > > > > > > Are you putting that in the "much more exalted" category? > > > > > > > > > Simply on testimony alone, it is not possible to distinguish > > > > > which is true or whether either is true, and as we were not > > > > > there, we are left with what people have said. We also have > > > > > to take into account that the clerk story comes via someone > > > > > that claims MMY poisoned Brahmananda. > > > > > > > > Vaj--who has also repeatedly insinuated that MMY poisoned > > > > Guru Dev--responded to your post by saying he thought "right- > > > > hand man" would be a more appropriate description than > > > > "clerk." Is that "much more exalted"? It sure doesn't suggest > > > > "most favored disciple," but it would describe my impression > > > > from what I've heard MMY say on tape (and would also fit > > > > MMY's own description in the transcript I posted here > > > > recently). > > > > > > Well you have heard various stories too, and I won't argue with you that > > > your interpretation is any worse than others or mine. Right hand man, an > > > administrative assistant would in my view, be more exalted than a mere > > > clerk. Also the benefit of what MMY did around Guru Dev just by what > > > attitude he had might have had far more benefit for him and growth of > > > experience than might be supposed. I think MMY said he did not 'round > > > much' at Jyotir Math. Most of his 'program' if you will was service, and > > > that does not mean that it was imposed on him as a set of behaviours he > > > was supposed to follow. Historically we don't know very much about > > > specifics of what he was asked to do or not do. > > > > OK, Xeno, I asked you several very specific questions that > > you don't appear to want to answer. They were all related > > to your claim that MMY had said he was "Guru Dev's favorite > > disciple," and that was really my only interest in your > > post, and if you can't or aren't willing to support it, I > > have nothing to add. > > I did not say he said that. Other people in the movement have > said it. That is what they said.
C'mon, Xeno, you *did* say he said that. You wrote (see the quote at the top): "We have the story, **from MMY** that he was the 'most favoured disciple'" (emphasis added). > What you wrote is pretty much what MMY himself said, as far > as I can see. As for being a clerk, that came from some > lawsuit where I believe one disgruntled follower of Guru > Dev said that was MMYs status. > > I am kind of busy so I do not have much time. By the way > demanding answers doesn't always work. I am traveling at > the moment, and connexions are sparse where I am. I didn't "demand answers." I asked questions. You responded with non sequiturs that didn't answer those questions. Fine, that's your right. I observed that you hadn't answered and said I had nothing further to contribute, as is *my* right. And you've responded to *that* with a denial of what you had written originally. I merely observe that this is what you've done and decline to pursue the matter further, since it seems it would continue to be unproductive.
