--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <vajradhatu@...> wrote: > > > On May 9, 2012, at 4:23 PM, sparaig wrote: > > > Falsehood? > > > > There are two ways you can appreciate "consciousness is primary, matter is > > secondary": > > > > !) allegedly, someone in Unity Consciousness perceives this directly as a > > result of how their brain operates. > > > > I have no personal experience with that for more than a second or so (once > > just after meditating, I opened my eyes and couldn't see any thing. Just > > the usual silent me-ness that I associate with having my eyes closed just > > after meditating. Then I realized that I SHOULD be seeing something because > > my eyes were open and I realized that I had been seeing "things" all along, > > just not processing the input. I assume that Unity is sorta like that but > > you remain a functional human). > > You see, for me, that would be an utterly worthless experience, as I�d > immediately want to know that which this unity consciousness (or �pure� > consciousness for that matter) arises from. Irregardless of what conventional > or non-conventional experience you have, that cannot change the fact that > consciousness does not exist, as far as we know, outside of a brain and > nervous system, etc. > > And one can even have a sense of being beyond the body from that brain, but > that most certainly would not mean that some consciousness exists as > something �beyond the brain�. It could just mean you have a deluded > construct that you believe is this �mysterious object� (pure > consciousness).
Of course. As I point out in a subsequent post. Even if one can float around a room, and that ability is predicated upon being in Unity Consciousness, one still can't assert (in the Western philosophical sense) that one is "one with the universe." > > > > > 2) you can arrive at an intellectual understanding that everything MUST be > > consciousness. > > > > John Hagelin's simple realization that any and all interactions of things, > > whether people or electrons or even more elementary particles, can be > > described using the rishi-devata-chhandas concept. Once you grasp this > > point, then it is obvious that everything is conscious. Consciousness is > > primary, matter is secondary, because the rishi-devata-chhandas description > > applies to every single possible level of existence, period, whereas > > material things change. All existence is consciousness because that is what > > consciousness is: existence. > > You see, this is a perfect example how Mahesh used the na�vet� of his > students to create delusional thinking in them. Thanks for demonstrating > Lawson. When you actually learn mantra in an authentic tradition, you�d > know exactly what rishi, devata and chhandas meant, and prayoga, mudra, > yantra etc. > > It�s always a major clue that something might be wrong with your guru when > he tells you �not to read other texts or it might confuse you.� Just > sayin�. > Rishi, devata and chhandas have different shades of meaning, depending on context. Allegedly, all these different shades merge into one, but I agree that "rishi, deity and meter" is not an immediately obvious mapping of "knower, process of knowing, and known." There are people other than MMY and his students who attempt to explain this mapping. L.
