consciousness beyond the brain - precisely; dead people with subtle bodies. Likewise, Buddhas existing in varous Buddhalands beyond the physical. You doubt the existence of life after physical brain existence? How curious.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <vajradhatu@...> wrote: > > > On May 9, 2012, at 4:23 PM, sparaig wrote: > > > Falsehood? > > > > There are two ways you can appreciate "consciousness is primary, matter is > > secondary": > > > > !) allegedly, someone in Unity Consciousness perceives this directly as a > > result of how their brain operates. > > > > I have no personal experience with that for more than a second or so (once > > just after meditating, I opened my eyes and couldn't see any thing. Just > > the usual silent me-ness that I associate with having my eyes closed just > > after meditating. Then I realized that I SHOULD be seeing something because > > my eyes were open and I realized that I had been seeing "things" all along, > > just not processing the input. I assume that Unity is sorta like that but > > you remain a functional human). > > You see, for me, that would be an utterly worthless experience, as I'd > immediately want to know that which this unity consciousness (or "pure" > consciousness for that matter) arises from. Irregardless of what conventional > or non-conventional experience you have, that cannot change the fact that > consciousness does not exist, as far as we know, outside of a brain and > nervous system, etc. > > And one can even have a sense of being beyond the body from that brain, but > that most certainly would not mean that some consciousness exists as > something "beyond the brain". It could just mean you have a deluded construct > that you believe is this "mysterious object" (pure consciousness). > > > > > 2) you can arrive at an intellectual understanding that everything MUST be > > consciousness. > > > > John Hagelin's simple realization that any and all interactions of things, > > whether people or electrons or even more elementary particles, can be > > described using the rishi-devata-chhandas concept. Once you grasp this > > point, then it is obvious that everything is conscious. Consciousness is > > primary, matter is secondary, because the rishi-devata-chhandas description > > applies to every single possible level of existence, period, whereas > > material things change. All existence is consciousness because that is what > > consciousness is: existence. > > You see, this is a perfect example how Mahesh used the naïveté of his > students to create delusional thinking in them. Thanks for demonstrating > Lawson. When you actually learn mantra in an authentic tradition, you'd know > exactly what rishi, devata and chhandas meant, and prayoga, mudra, yantra > etc. > > It's always a major clue that something might be wrong with your guru when he > tells you `not to read other texts or it might confuse you.' Just sayin'. >
