--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > I don't see a problem with a Master being a Master. > > > > > > I understand this statement in the context of the rest > > > of your post, Jim, but have to disagree with it anyway. > > > I think part of the whole *problem* you discuss below > > > is inherent in the term "Master" itself. In the minds > > > of *most* people who hear it, it implies *two* things, > > > not one. The first, which could be considered admirable, > > > is "mastery." The second, which I personally feel has > > > no place in spirituality, is "the dominant position in > > > a master-disciple or master-slave relationship." The > > > latter I see as completely *counterproductive* to the > > > realization of enlightenment. > > > > Yeah, this is where I probably should have said I meant a > > Master of Reality, not a master of people. I emphatically > > mean the former. The other wasn't considered at all. I use > > the term 'Master' in every day conversation to connote someone > > who has mastered what they do; cooking, dancing, singing, etc. > > In this case, knowing Reality. > > I understood that. I just wanted to make the point > that many if not most have in the back of their minds > the *two* connotations of "Master," and tend to get > them confused. Which basically creates and perpetuates > the very issue you were talking about.
Yes, the small self as mischief maker! It is one of those baked in tests for us- Is a seeker really sincere in their quest for true freedom? Well, if not, there are infinite balls of yarn about waiting to tangle them up! > > > > > Nor is there a > > > > problem with a Master not wanting to be challenged. > > > > > > I see a problem in that when such a "Master" is clearly > > > *unwilling* or *resistant* to being challenged, it tends > > > (IMO) to indicate attachment or fear, which doesn't in my > > > mind imply that he has really developed mastery. > > > > Could just be what is needed in the moment. If the Master has no > > stories, no preconcieved notions of his existence, and no stored > > agendas to complete, then we can't really say what the indications > > or implication of a particular thought or action of his are, > > except > > from our point of view; how it affects us, or would affect us, or > > how someone else thought it affected them, which we believed. > > I can see your point, and on some levels agree with > it. It's just that I have had experience with some > teachers who were better at "busting" the tendencies > in students to react/overreact/misinterpret than is > Maharishi. Then again, their students reacted/over- > reacted/misinterpreted *anyway*, just in different > ways, so your point is valid and noted. Yep, it is critical in my view to stay focused on the goal and not get lost in the sauce. That focus will cleave through any illusions, be they ascribed to the Master or anything else. Interestingly, this entire commentary of mine was as a result of literally seeing Maharishi differently, laughing and existing in total freedom and bliss. That cognition spawned all of this. And there he remains in totality, in freedom, in laughter, and bliss. It was as a result of him appearing as such that I could 1)clearly distinquish the stories the seekers tell about him, and 2)validate his Mastery of Reality, as I benchmarked it earlier. And as we both agree, the stories will continue and the Master will continue. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
