--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" <emptybill@...> wrote: > > Who transcends what?
Always a good question. > There are 112 ways of transcending ... in the Vijnana Bhairava Tantra. Yep. Maharishi has made an allusion to it in the SCI course, but instead of naming the VBT he mentioned the Shiva Sutras as a source. There is a commentary available of the VBT by Jaideva Singh a disciple of Lakshman Joo, he also has commentaries on the Shiva Sutra and other Kashmir Shaivic scriptures. The second allusion to this topic I read is by Mirra Alfassa, companion to Shri Aurobindo. She mentions that one can get to Nirvana at each chakra. This is one thing I actually experienced myself: In my olden TM days, one day, I 'transcended', the way it used to be in TM and which I had experienced regularly, throughout the years, but this time I noticed that the 'slipping into' the transcendence occurred at the heart. Makes some sense if you think that Ramana Maharshi always mentioned the heart to be the physical location of he Self. But later, as other chakras had developed naturally, I experienced other 'ways' of transcending. I can't say that the heart isn't involved anymore, as all chakras are much more connected now. I have once tried to describe it here, but all TMers ere running storm, because they think in transcendence I shouldn't be able to notice. But quite obviously it is possible. And Emptybill, about these experiences I have asked all the great Advaita guys, like say HWL Poonja, or Ramesh Balsekar, and they couldn't do anything with my experiences especially of the crown chakra. When I visited Poonja in Lucknow, I had a really good experience with him toward the end, some people around me thought I was enlightened - yet it wasn't stable, but when I went to South India afterward, I visited an Ashram in Bangaluru, that of Shiva Bala Yogi when he was still alive. I actually didn't meet him, just meditated in his office, but had a major Kundalini experience. From that I could say that it went way beyond anything I saw or experienced at Poonjajis. I am not, in any way writing off Advaita, but Tantrism has more answers for me quite obviously. I can also see this when I visit say the Ashram of Ramana Maharshi vs Sri Aurobindo. For a number of external reasons I like Tirunvannamalai better that Pondy, but there is something at Aurobindos Samadhi I don't find at Ramanas. Maybe its just different strokes for different people. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" LEnglish5@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 <no_reply@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" <emptybill@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Why kundalini shakti experiences mean nothing at all about > > > > > > awakening/enlightenment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.shiningworld.com/top/images/stories/pub-pdfs/Articles/Vedanta\ > _and_Kundalini.pdf > > > > > > > > > > Finally a sane comment about kundalini. If they bother to read > > > > > this pehaps now the spirutual-experience-seekers on this board > > > > > can relax a little. > > > > > > > > Ah, the olde "If I haven't had this experience in many > > > > years of TM practice it isn't worth having" thought- > > > > stopper. :-) > > > > > > > > > > Or, people view it as merely unstressing and don't think about it. > > > > > It's time to grow up at some point. Knowledge is structured in > consciousness. Each state of consciousness has its own physiological > state. The kundalini and the chakras are in your subtle body, and will > reflect the rise of consciousness. As soon as the chakras open, you will > notice. One may not always be aware of the activity of the chakras, but > when they open you will notice. Then your meditation will change, as the > shakti will guide you from within. It's spontaneous, nothing to do > there. > > > > There are 112 ways of transcending, you can transcend basically in > every chakra. Depending where you are, you will 'transcend' and > depending how clear you mind is, you will notice the location or not. > > >
