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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" <anartaxius@...> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn <emilymae.reyn@> wrote: > > > > Xeno, what you say about me is true in that I *am* recovering from a pretty > > near-on total collapse of mind, body, and spirit.  It was in the works for > > awhile and I have benefited from the forum - I feel less crazy, for one > > thing :).  Now, of course, while I agree with you re: Barry's guerilla war > > tactics, I disagree that Robin doesn't  also challenge the foibles of > > those "caught up in spirituality"  and, I think he has an extremely > > well-refined "wicked" sense of humor.  Yes, Barry needs finishing school, > > at the very least.  Ha. > > > > Have a fabulous vacation - the best vacations are those out of touch with > > technology, IMO.  And, thank you for the musical link - lovely.  I always > > enjoy what you write, btw, and thank you for being here.  > > As for Robin 'not challenging spiritual foibles', I am not sure I said that. > I think I said I thought he did not get it right, that I disagreed with him. > He does challenge, but it is not always clear to me what his motivation is. > One has to go about this from experience. If we conceptualise it as being > more expanded or less expanded, then if one is more expanded one has a chance > of seeing where someone less expanded is hung up; its not guaranteed. If one > is less expanded, it is a total guess. One has to 'read between the lines' of > what one says, how they say it. > > Robin now takes a position that, as far as the direction most people on this > forum, especially the TM TBs, this was clearly wrong. And he has undone > himself with regard to this spiritual direction and seems to have adopted > another one. But in negating and destroying the perception he claimed he had > achieved, this would, it would appear, that he has destroyed the perception > necessary to evaluate this particular kind of spiritual odyssey, that is > unity consciousness, or just unity. Now he has 'replaced' this with another > kind of spiritual perception, which on the face of it, would indicate all of > us other peons on the forum have made a serious mistake. My opinion on this > is he has taken a road down a Catholic or Catholic-like doctrine, a definite > religious doctrine. > > For me, attempting evaluation of someone else has to do with being internally > and externally rather like nothing. Spirit is basically like nothing, like > the hole in a donut. One 'compares' the person one is evaluating in an > attempt to see how much like nothing they are. This is rather the opposite of > 'personal ontology' which Robin espouses. > > Of course the other thing Robin could be doing, in the wake of the disaster > of being a world teacher, is regressing to another path that he now feels > more comfortable with, a path through Catholicism or an analogue thereof, > wherein he is discovering his relationship with the wholeness of life via the > concept of God and this god's attendant attributes, such as Jesus etc. This > is the way Christian saints have evolved spiritually. > > Whatever path one follows, it has to seem real to one, for a long stretch of > the journey, it has to seem real, otherwise one would not keep tagging along > that path. Thus, I see spiritual progress as a kind of hallucination, one > that seems grander than the usual day-to-day grind of living, that leads us > on. If spirituality is really real, and at the end, we find reality, what is > it that is at the end of the path? If you get to the end of a path, it stops. > What is there? You cannot go any further. > > In TM this is expressed as the unbounded field of life. It is unbound, no > boundaries. Both inside and outside. What is that like? Pure spirit? Empty > space? A donut hole of infinite extent? Zen Buddhists call it the Void. The > Taoists the uncarved block. I do not know what Christians call the end of the > path; most of the versions there seem to put that result after you die, so > pretty much you cannot find out during life. Christian mystics have a > different take on this, but as I was never a Christian my knowledge of this > area of spiritual hiking is rather scant. >
