--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <LEnglish5@...> wrote: > > As I have pointed out many times in this forum, MMY's exposition on Yogic > Flying -that it comes in stages, including "hopping like a frog"- is straight > out of the upanishads and other traditional texts.
> The fact that you don't want to acknowledge that this really IS how it is > described in traditional circles speaks volumes about how you still have > anger issues. Ah, the old "you aren't enlightened enough to understand" argument. Anyway, I know where the story comes from Lawson, be difficult to live with the TMO for ten years and not be privvy to every little myth that comes along. The big question for me is: Why is it more likely to be true just because it's old and Indian? I'm going to answer my own question thusly: I think Marshy, in common with all religious teachers has made a fundamental mistake in taking ancient writings literally and that we don't have to look too far to see why people are so keen to believe it these days. All civilisations have a "Legend of the fall" where we became seperate from nature/god and lost our oneness that can only be regained by meditation or a return to the true ways. Garden of Eden, Age of Enlightenment etc. The same story but neither actually happened, man isn't any more or less "fallen" or unenlightened now than he was then because we didn't come from a golden age of super powers and infinite happiness. Any psychologist will tell you that our sense of loss and difference all stems from our early *personal* dawn of conciousness when we seperate from our mothers and gain self awareness. Deep down we all want to go back to that state and TM promises a return, from day one the whole mythos you get taught is that you are regaining your birthright, which is maybe truer than they realise it just isn't in the sense that we are returning to the wisdom of an earlier age, just regaining the lost comfort of early childhood. That's the hope behind it anyway. I even got enlightenment experiences for a while and saw how it might work as a permanent fixture, but the problem is in the interpretation of what's happening, give it a bit of ancient "oneness with nature" or "fulfilling the ancient birthright" spin and you can start a religion. Describe it as a bit of psychological bounce-back or "restructuring of the inner Cartesian theatre" and it becomes a tougher call to rally round. The experience is the same (jolly pleasant) but the supporting beliefs become unnecessary and then *boy* does it get hard to justify yogic flying if you stop believing you're defeating one of the fundamental forces of nature. > Whether or not Yogic Flying, as practiced by TM-Sidhas or by anyone else for > that matter, ever leads to real "floating around the room," is immaterial: Not if you are going to claim that our whole current understanding of the physical universe is going to have to be rewritten it isn't. > Wow. > > > L > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <curtisdeltablues@> > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" <fintlewoodlewix@> > > wrote: > > (snipped more great stuff) > > > > <Which is pretty funny really, like saying my half-hearted jogging efforts > > are merely stage one of running at the speed of light. Any day now...> > > > > Excellent post. > > The human capacity to believe is a wonder unto itself, Amen! I think the > > core of how this got sold to us is based on a faulty understanding about > > what went on in the Vedic past. We still hear echos of this on FFL where > > people quote old texts designed basically as promo brochures for saints of > > different religions as if they were factual statements. Being in the past > > it slips through one of our cognitive gap vulnerabilities. I know that I > > can't fly and people in my neighborhood can't, but maybe they can if they > > live in the Himalayan mountains which is far away and that might make it > > more likely. Or perhaps in the past it happened because that is removed > > from my everyday experience and so that makes it feel as if things like > > this might be more possible. > > >
