--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long <sharelong60@...> wrote: > > Just back from writing group. Sorry for delay.Â
SHARE: Robin, I think in our previous upset there were mistakes on both sides. ROBIN:What mistakes, Share? Could you please itemize these mistakes? I would be very interested in the particulars here. Lay out the mistakes in detail for me. I recall only one mistake: your interpreting my self-deprecation as insulting--which, in one sense, was my fault, because I thought my qualification was obvious: you took a certain meaning from that parenthetical comment--and you turned it into some campaign against me--as if I had deliberately set out to hurt you. You were mistaken, gravely, mistaken in assuming that this what was I was doing. But, whereas I owned up to the possible ambiguity of my language, you insisted on remaining vehemently attached to your original interpretation, since to let go of that original interpretation, seems to constitute, at least for you, an act of self-abandonment, an experience of intolerable vertigo. SHARE: Both our hearts were hurt and or embittered. ROBIN: I was never hurt or embittered, Share. What the fuck are you talking about? This compulsive drive for metaphysical and moral and psychological EQUIVALENCE dominates you, Share--and while I must believe the cause of this is something tremendous, the consequence this has in your assessment of reality and what is going on when there is tension and difference between human persons, is fatal. You are a pitiable in your violent escapism, Share. Ann addressed you in the most loving but challenging way. And what did you do? You ran away and hid inside your New Age dogma. Nothing has ever embittered me in my entire life, Share. I have not been "hurt" by you. I have been, I admit, seriously nonplussed and stupefied; but for you to characterize my response to you--whether on FFL or offline--as being "hurt and or embittered", this is a falsification of reality, it is a falsification of your experience. You want to remake reality in the image of what you must have it be for you, Share. Do you not care about what reality is asking of you as to how you *should* interpret reality? Share, I am sorry, but you have recreated reality out of the extremity of your own needs. Do not tell me I am hurt and or embittered. I certainly know what it is like to be hurt, but I believe that in every instance, I have brought this on myself. No one has ever hurt me as such. I have been hurt by how I have hurt myself, and in some cases, how I have hurt other persons. I did not hurt you, Share. Or, at least, once I explained myself, you should have allowed the effect of that explanation to contest in your heart with your assumed understanding of what I did in the one--loving--post when you first read it. SHARE: With that in mind, I'm saying that from my perspective, the scales are balanced. ROBIN: If an elephant was on one end of the scale and a mouse on the other end, you would insist that the scales were balanced, Share. Why don't you just banish death, Share--and all unhappiness--and all war--and all suffering--and all disease? You will only get the scales balanced, Share, when you are prepared to see life as it wants you to see it. This you refuse to do. So you are out of balance. SHARE: Can we wipe the slate clean and begin again? Why not let hearts begin to be healed? ROBIN: Let us allow reality to do to us what it wants to do, Share. You cannot by personal fiat make reality conform to your needs such as to have it not be a certain way. I am repeating myself. If you ever summon up the courage to be honest and sincere about your own pain and the complexity of what it means to be a human being, Share, then I will meet you half-way. Then perhaps you will have something to teach me. Then we can ask for the grace which created us to heal us. But until you meet some minimal standard of reality-contact, I must, for your sake, resist your entreaties here, because whatever peace and tranquility you are seeking, it is utterly false--because it is entirely constructed out of your own subjectivity. Ann has written you a post that, taken in context, presents you with everything you need to know. That is, in what she is asking you to think about. > ________________________________ > From: Robin Carlsen <maskedzebra@...> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, October 1, 2012 12:41 PM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: today PS > > >  > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long <sharelong60@> wrote: > > > > Still unable to understand you, Robin, but thanks anyway.à> > Well, think about this, Share: *Everyone else did*. Your purported confession > is itself an act of very subtle aggression and denial. Just kidding, Share! > Just having another bad day here. > You could not afford "to understand" me, Share. What would have been better > would have been to try to surmount the pain and aversion--and just made it > your quest to understand what I said. > > Nah, I understand, Share. It is just as the Lord would have it. There wasn't > much there anyway. But WOULD YOU BE INTERESTED IN UNDERSTANDING IT NOW ANYHOW? > > Share to herself: No, Robin, I would not. > > Make sure it's Starbucks Coffee Ice-cream cone you give him. > > My palate really understands Starbucks Coffee Ice-cream. ["The only emperor > is the emperor of ice-cream!"] > > It's the RATIO thing, remember? Authfriend explained it very carefully, so > that what you said here to Ann is meaningless, Share. Profoundly meaningless. > > I promise to be nice for the rest of my life. I just had to get one more post > off like this one. > > Insincere. > > I dare you to TRY to understand the post, Share. Show it to your pastoral > counsellor. > > She'll get it. And she might even have the courage to make you understand it. > > Of course, it is beside the point that it comes from my own bitter heart. > > Robin > > > ________________________________ > > From: Robin Carlsen <maskedzebra@> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Monday, October 1, 2012 11:10 AM > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: today PS > > > > > > à> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long <sharelong60@> wrote: > > > > > > I see myself as someone who recognizes that everybody is a mix of > > > developed and developing aspects; and that as such everybody makes > > > mistakes; and that a way to have worthwhile relationships is to proceed > > > on that basis with a willingness to both forgive and apologize, make > > > amends, intend to do better and then move forward.ÃâàÃâà> > > ÃâàÃâà> > > > > > > > > I'm feeling compassionate and reasonable as I reply.ÃâàIn your 7 > > > questions in a row, I sense some openness and also some > > > challenge.ÃâàAre those what you felt when you wrote?Ãâà> > > > > > > > > As for what is at stake here, seems like life's always either growing or > > > resting.ÃâàBoth good when balanced.ÃâàNeither good when > > > unbalanced. ÃâàÃâà> > > > This makes Mao's Little Red Book seem like Hamlet. The stockbroker drinking > > his Latte inside the Twin Towers when the Boeing 767 airplane hit: Share's > > version: He probably spilled his coffee. And the jumpers from the 110th > > floor, did they come down with a feathery landing, Share? Have you had a > > talk with the Taliban recently? Been hit with an IED? You don't feed an > > lion an ice-cream cone. Ayaan Hirsi Ali meets Tammy Faye Baker. Uday and > > Qussay: no quantum light weavers, those boys. > > ________________________________ > > > From: awoelflebater <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Monday, October 1, 2012 8:32 AM > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: today PS > > > > > > > > > Ãâà> > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long <sharelong60@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Also Ravi, do you recognize a third group of posters who act as bridges > > > > between the Robin and Barry factions?ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡ÃâàIt's not all > > > > Hatfields and Mccoys on FFL!ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡ÃâàSome aim to be > > > > compassionate and reasonable, seeing thatÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡ÃâàBOTH > > > > sides contribute to the disharmony, each in its own > > > > way.ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡ÃâàShareÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâà> > > > > > Am I a Hatfield or a McCoy? Am I a bridge? Am I compassionate and > > > reasonable? How do you see yourself? Is this a "feud" or something else? > > > What is at stake here if anything? How do you feel? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: Share Long <sharelong60@> > > > > To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> > > > > Sent: Monday, October 1, 2012 5:56 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] today > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâà> > > > Ravi, thanks for saying this truth about FFL being a dysfunctional > > > > family.ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡ÃâàDo you think, as I do, that there is > > > > dysfunction on BOTH sides of the feud?ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡ÃâàI know you > > > > place yourself on one side of the feud but I'm wondering if you see how > > > > both sides play a part in the disharmony.ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡ÃâàShare > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: Ravi Chivukula <chivukula.ravi@> > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 10:46 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] today > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâà> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 8:44 PM, awoelflebater > > > > <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > >ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâà> > > > >What a truly extraordinary day today on FFL. So much truth, so much > > > > >sincerity, so much wisdom. Are we a family yet? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Was it ? :-). We are dear Ann - one big dysfunctional family. > > > > > > > > > >
