--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" <anartaxius@...> wrote: > In this post Ann brings up a really important point about the > enlightenment game. It does not matter if the person you are > trying to imbibe spiritual experience from is enlightened or > not - that would be a good thing if they were enlightened - > but that they can get you to the next step that works out for > you in that direction.
Seems to me Ann is saying she wasn't even looking for enlightenment, so I'm not at all sure how she can be said to have brought up the point Xeno makes. > They might not be able to take you all the way, but at that > point you are there and maybe they get you onto the next step > whereas if you were somewhere else, maybe that would not > happen. When the limit of what they can do is reached, and > you are not an idiot, you move on somewhere else. How many TM > initiators would you feel could take you all the way? Their > job - initiation, which means basically 'to start' - is to > get you on a path. It is clear that perhaps with the exception > of MMY no one continues to rely on their initiator to complete > the job because their job specification specifically limits > them to a few special tasks. This may well all be valid, but again, it's not clear to me how any of it relates to what Ann is talking about. > Ann's lack of condemnation of Robin in the present day is a > recognition of her ability to know when an appropriate break > is indicated, when to move on is necessary. Very interesting interpretation of what Ann wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <authfriend@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb <no_reply@> wrote: <snip> > > > > 2. Robin was never enlightened. > > > > > > Isn't it amazing that Barry knows for sure? Isn't it > > > amazing that Barry would even have an *opinion*, when he > > > didn't know Robin during the period when he says he was > > > enlightened? And when he doesn't even read Robin's posts? > > > > Yes indeedy, it certainly is amazing. If anyone could say > > anything about this small matter it could potentially be me > > since I was hanging around every minute of every day for > > about 1260 days back in the 80's. But guess what? I am no > > more qualified to say that someone is enlightened than I am > > to say if they are in love, hungry, scared or schizophrenic. > > Did it matter to me if Robin was enlightened? No, actually. > > I did not hang around because I thought Robin could get me > > to enlightenment or could bestow on me great spiritual gifts. > > I hung around because I felt it to be life-supporting, > > positive, extremely interesting, exciting and immensely > > fascinating. In addition I really liked Robin as a person, > > as a rebel, as a really smart, lively human being. I felt > > really alive around him and others who were also part of > > the "group". We were rockin' and rollin' back then. It was > > ecstatic and it was agonizing in turns. > > > > If it turned out Robin wasn't enlightened 26 years ago would > > I ask for my money back? Naw, I got more than the price of > > the ticket/admission in return. If what he had going on back > > then was called "Unity Consciousness" then so be it, you could > > call it anything you like, it doesn't mean much to me but if > > someone wants to put a label on it then sure, label it UC. And > > after all, Robin should know. I think you just might as well > > believe him as there isn't a soul on this planet who could > > prove otherwise. I wonder how Ann feels about Xeno's interpretation of the above.
