Dear Micheal, it could be a lot helpful to a lot of people and even the world if you should bring this up within dialogue with bevan and the president's office directly. In the Dome recently there was a poster communicating that Bevan should like to hear from our people and gave his e-mail address as, presid...@mum.edu Given your experience your writing voice might well change if you try viewing the leadership as a direct reading audience as opposed to only alarming and warding off some public. What would you say and how would you say it? You seem quite reasonable in your way. Explore a voice of writing these guys in dialogue directly. The word seems to be out generally in all the media of the internet on TM and Maharishi. You could help these guys deal with it. As you might send something to them would you CC' it to FFL too? Of service, it should be quite a beautiful thing to help them out that way. Hope for the best. Jai Guru Dev, -Buck
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson <mjackson74@...> wrote: > > Yes, I see how you and others can see that I am saying and it may not seem > logical, but that is not exactly what I am saying. What I am saying is that > IF TM is as superlative as it is advertised to be, that IF it repeatedly > clears the nervous system, mind and emotions of stress, and infuses the Light > of Pure Awareness into every fiber of a person's being and leads to the state > of "enlightenment" then it should be impossible for people who practice > everyday to have or develop the kinds of personality traits (or disorders) > that the TMO leaders and managers routinely exhibit. > > If they were asses to begin with, that should change through the regular > practice of TM. If they were not that way to begin with, then they should not > begin to exhibit such behavior at all. > > To say that TM is the very bestest meditation on the planet as many here do > say, and say it has nothing to do with TM when people behave like the TMO > managers and leaders do is not credible. It means to me that TM, while it may > lead to feeling personally refreshed after TM, and maybe to inner exploration > doesn't do the bang up job claimed for it. TM is not responsible for the > unpleasant behavior of the TMO leaders, is it? But you gotta wonder why the > behavior of arrogance, elitism, entitlement, mis-use of others, incompetence > and more is so prevalent among long time TM leaders and managers. > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Ann <awoelflebater@...> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, March 6, 2013 9:37 AM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: To card - mUrdhajyothiShi > > >  > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > > > the hell they aren't - the energy that Marshy created the Movement has > > ALWAYS shown itself in the behavior it leaders have exhibited - no free > > passes on the basis of "Oh, the technique is gooood! but the people who > > have been practicing the longest just HAPPEN to be asses. If TM was all > > these folks are claiming, it would not be possible for the numbers of TMO > > leaders to behave as they do - can't you see the correlation? You really > > think its an accident? Immersing your individual awareness into Pure > > Awareness is supposed to clear, cleanse and make all aspects of the > > individual one with all the Laws of Nature - if 40 years or more of > > practice consistently churn out people with the behavior of the TMO > > leaders, then either there is something wrong with the technique or with > > the underlying premises on which the technique is based (like whether > > enlightenment itself can be experienced thru TM practice) > > Well, I personally believe there is something terribly flawed about humanity > in general MJ. You could give someone heaven on earth and they'd still > somehow find a way to shit on it and still complain that life isn't fair. Or > become rampaging tyrants and slaughter thousands of people just because they > could. Now the question of whether MMY condoned and supported and encouraged > whatever behaviour that Bevan and all those other MEN you spoke about, that > is another matter and still doesn't really speak to the efficiency or potent > positive nature of TM that potentially resides within the technique. > > So, what I am saying is give a man a bottle of booze to drink and some will > sing and laugh, others will beat their spouse and still others will sit and > cry. The end result of any substance ingested, book read or meditation > technique practiced still depends on the individual doing those things. I > mean, in once sense you are proclaiming that practicing TM MAKES people > assholes. That is as inaccurate as saying another person can make you happy > or unhappy. > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Ann > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Tuesday, March 5, 2013 11:48 PM > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: To card - mUrdhajyothiShi > > > > > > à> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > > > > > It was rhetorical, actually - the man was many things, but enlightened or > > > saint were not among those things. Enlightened men or women and saints do > > > not leave behind the flotsam of destruction that Marshy left behind. > > > People practicing the meditation of a saint do not turn out like Bevan, > > > Neil, Tony, and many rajas, either. > > > > Oh ho, not so fast. What people do with the knowledge (or a practice) might > > have nothing to do with the source. Human Beings are notorious for putting > > their own spin on a thing. You can not hold responsible some book or some > > teacher for what others do with the content. Bevan et al are not > > necessarily the reflections of MMY or what he had to say just like children > > often turn out very different from their parents. Great parents can still > > have rotten children and horrible parents can end up with great offspring. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: John > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 5, 2013 4:10 PM > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: To card - mUrdhajyothiShi > > > > > > > > > Ãâà> > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > > > > > > > How bout neither? > > > > > > MJ, > > > > > > Please, see my response to Judy on her reply to this question. Then, you > > > can find out about my position on this matter. > > > > > > JR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: John > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 5, 2013 11:22 AM > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: To card - mUrdhajyothiShi > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâà> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Outside of the TMO, many saints in the Catholic Curch were > > > > > > > > known to have levitated, including St. Teresa of Avila. So, > > > > > > > > levitation or flying can be used as a criteria to determine > > > > > > > > one's state of consciousness, specifically that of > > > > > > > > enlightenment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John, this is way too simplistic and creates significant > > > > > > > confusion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The saints had no *intention* of levitating; it was > > > > > > > involuntary, and in many cases unwelcome--frightening and > > > > > > > overwhelming. Teresa actually prayed that it wouldn't > > > > > > > happen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any devout Catholic, moreover, would be appalled at the > > > > > > > idea of such performances being used as a criterion of > > > > > > > spiritual development; that would be strictly against > > > > > > > Church doctrine. And the saints would never want to > > > > > > > attract attention to themselves in that way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aside from the issue of whether levitation is possible, > > > > > > > there really isn't any commonality between the > > > > > > > significance of levitation in the Western (Catholic) > > > > > > > tradition and its significance in the Eastern tradition. > > > > > > > You can't use one to justify the other. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Judy, > > > > > > > > > > > > Levitation is the quick test for those who claim to be > > > > > > enlightened, in particular, those who follow Osho's > > > > > > techniques and philosophy. Otherwise, it may take a > > > > > > very long time to prove conclusively that a person is > > > > > > enlightened. Specifically, the Vatican has a very > > > > > > exhaustive method for canonizing a saint. > > > > > > > > > > John, I have no idea what any of this has to do with what > > > > > I said. I don't think you read what I wrote. > > > > > > > > > > The saints who levitated did not claim to be "enlightened," > > > > > nor could they have passed that test. > > > > > > > > > > Canonization by the Vatican has nothing to do with the > > > > > Eastern concept of enlightenment. This is all apples and > > > > > kiwi fruit. Church sainthood and enlightenment are not > > > > > at all the same thing. > > > > > > > > > Hey Judy, > > > > > > > > Please, tell us what is the difference between an enlightened person > > > > and a saint? Do you think MMY was enlightened or a saint? > > > > > > > > JR > > > > > > > > > >
