--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson <mjackson74@...> wrote: > > Now please tell us what was the deal on that? Why would they be afraid of an > eclipse and how did TM or its hidden and denied Hindu roots have a hand in > that?
Jyotish. It's a weird iron age belief that the movement of planets against a random backdrop of stars has some sort of effect on our lives. I know, crazy huh? One of the things that was noticed is that sometimes the natural order is upset, a comet appears during a war and forever on they are seen as harbingers of doom when really they are just dirty snowballs left over from the formation of the solar system. In fact, there wouldn't be any water on Earth if it wasn't for comets. This is why I prefer the new knowledge to the old. And was why I didn't heed the TMOs advice and looked directly at comet Hale Bopp when I was on a course in '97. One of the most beautiful things I ever saw. But anyway, jyotishees warn us that solar eclipses are "bad" times and to witness one is to open your life to all sorts of bad karma and demons that inhabit the world during times of temporary darkness. I was working at UK HQ when the last full solar eclipse hit England. I was highly excited at the chance to see one of natures miracles and probably the ultimate free light show. The head of TM europe (and a physics professor) warned us to stay inside lest we reap the awful karmic dues you get from erm, standing in a shadow (!) I was happy to point out the absurdity of being scared, pointed out that the moon wasn't eating the sun and that even if their was an astrological effect from witnessing an eclipse it would be the same whether you were inside or out when it happened. But these people aren't interested in logic or reason no matter how much they go on about science. So, come the day I was the *only one* on the roof of our rather stately home. Everyone else was cowering in their offices. It was pathetic, my rapidly dwindling respect for the intellectual underpinning of TM took a major hit that day. And then I nearly blinded myself trying to take a photo of it through a telephoto lens. Lucky there was no permanent damage, that would have been IT. Wouldn't have lived that one down.... > ________________________________ > From: salyavin808 <fintlewoodlewix@...> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, March 8, 2013 1:09 PM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: To card - mUrdhajyothiShi to Salya > > >  > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long <sharelong60@> wrote: > > > > I enjoy your sense of humor, puns and all, even if we're on different sides > > of the fence about TM, TMO, etc.àBut I admit it is a stretch to picture > > you as a tough administrator, sending a screamer home (-: > > Ooh yes Share, beware getting on the wrong side of me ;-) > > > I started TM in March 1975 and came to MIU 6 months later.àI was > > totally clueless!àNow I've been around for over 35 years and lived in > > FF for the last 8 years, before that was on campus for 14 years either on > > staff or as a graduate student.àMy point is that I'm not a newbie to > > all this.àAnd as I've gotten older I think I've become more accepting, > > more realistic.àAnd I know something about organizations and life on > > this planet.àSo I have ceased to look for perfection or a lack of flaws > > in anyone or any group.àHeck I think such would be pretty boring > > anyway.àMaybe one way to say it is that my boundaries are simply > > different than those of some others here on FFL.àThat also enhances > > life's richness (-: àà> > Accepting and realistic? You mean you put up with more crap? > > I held the TMO to the standards they claimed for themselves and > as such our working relationship didn't last very long! It's all > very well claiming to be a perfect society but you've got to > deliver the goods sooner or later. Perhaps I'm too demanding? > > Anyway, it's the failure of the belief system to offer anything > realistic that settled it for me. For instance, I couldn't stay with an > organisation that claimed to be science-based but where everyone hid in their > offices during an eclipse. Physics PHD's scared of shadows! > > ________________________________ > > From: salyavin808 <fintlewoodlewix@> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Friday, March 8, 2013 11:06 AM > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: To card - mUrdhajyothiShi to Salya > > > > > > à> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long <sharelong60@> wrote: > > > > > > What I meant is that for me it doesn't matter if they are enlightened or > > > not.ÃâàWhat matters is how they treat me.ÃâàIf I don't like > > > how they treat me, then I don't engage.ÃâàIf their treatment of > > > another is wrong, then I do my best to stop it.Ãâà> > > I've never heard Hagelin laugh at Einstein or Newton.ÃâàBut I > > > haven't attended ALL his lectures either. > > > > It was more a smug, superior sneer from Hagelin and a laugh from > > the crowd. They don't know better but he does. > > > > > BTW, people haven't made noises, barnyard or otherwise, for a long time > > > in the women's Dome.ÃâàI'll let Buck speak for the men (-: > > > > I used to be in charge of the men's dome on courses. I never > > tolerated any stupid noises either, but there was a woman (who shall remain > > nameless) who used to scream her head off and claimed that sidhi teachers > > had told her it was OK for her as she was close to floating! > > > > She never did levitate of course, but what a disruptive influence on the > > peace and quiet of the dome. And as a typically self-righteous governor and > > she couldn't *possibly* be doing anything wrong. I got her banned, then > > sent home. I was a tough administrator that's for > > sure! > > > > > > > > Doing my program is part of my life and enriches the rest of my > > > life.ÃâàI have also not done program so I'm speaking from > > > experience, not from theory. > > > > I guess most who do it like it more than I did or they wouldn't > > persist with it! I hope that's the case, I felt much better after > > stopping YFing, the ups and downs* weren't worth it for what I'd > > gained. > > > > * I typed that without realising the pun :D > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: salyavin808 <fintlewoodlewix@> > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Friday, March 8, 2013 8:54 AM > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: To card - mUrdhajyothiShi to Salya > > > > > > > > > Ãâà> > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long <sharelong60@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Evolution should be visible.ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡ÃâàIs that > > > > true?ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡ÃâàCan you absolutely know that's true? > > > > > > I think so. > > > > > > How do we know someone (or anything) has evolved in any way unless > > > it shows. In this instance, if someone is an aggressive or neurotic > > > asshole after many years of TM it's safe to conclude that it hasn't > > > worked. I know a lot of people like this, they'll tell you it's the > > > best thing ever though. > > > > > > ÃâàQuestions from Byron Katie's The Work. > > > > And about YF:ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡ÃâàI don't think it involves breaking > > > > the law of gravity.ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡ÃâàI think it involves accessing a > > > > deeper law of laws that are yet to be discovered and or > > > > articulated.ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡ÃâàThis is my best guess. > > > > > > That the law of gravity isn't being broken is a given. I had the > > > deep, deep misfortune of seeing John Hagelin's lecture of the > > > physics of yogic "flying". His basic contention is that we can > > > think from the level of the Planck scale and influence the > > > probability of quantum events into whatever desire we choose. > > > Thus gaining complete mastery over the laws of nature. > > > > > > Apart from the rather obvious fact that no one has ever demonstrated > > > mastery of anything other than jumping in a predictably parabolic > > > fashion the idea doesn't stand up to the merest scrutiny. We can > > > measure individual thoughts at the level they occur in the brain, > > > they don't disappear beyond the quantum level just because you are > > > meditating. They wouldn't exist there in the same way that nothing > > > individual exists at that level because everything at the quantum > > > scale is indistinguishable. Not that you could detach thoughts from where > > > they are and shrink them billions of times or send them to "deeper" > > > levels anyway. > > > > > > None of it makes a fart of sense in any way that I can see. It's so > > > illogical and preposterous it just makes me want to scream and pull > > > what's left of my hair out. But what gets me about it is the way Hagelin > > > laughs at Einstein and Newton, and the audience laughs along "They were > > > so misguided. We know the truth, we have mastery over nature" Bonkers > > > cult weirdness, I would love to lend it to some physicists I know but I'd > > > hate them to die laughing. > > > > > > My best guess after doing it religiously for ten years is that YF > > > is a bunch of deludedly hopeful people jumping about making farmyard > > > noises. And not a lot else. And I used to do demo's for the NLP! > > > > > > Remove the beliefs and teaching about what is happening and you'll > > > stop doing it by the end of the week. Guaranteed. And suddenly a whole > > > new wonderful vista opens up, it's called having time to do stuff other > > > than sit in the dome! I loved it when I quit the "sidhis" it > > > was like being born again, I can't explain why it took ten years but > > > there you go.... > > > > > >
