What I meant is that for me it doesn't matter if they are enlightened or not. What matters is how they treat me. If I don't like how they treat me, then I don't engage. If their treatment of another is wrong, then I do my best to stop it. I've never heard Hagelin laugh at Einstein or Newton. But I haven't attended ALL his lectures either.
BTW, people haven't made noises, barnyard or otherwise, for a long time in the women's Dome. I'll let Buck speak for the men (-: Doing my program is part of my life and enriches the rest of my life. I have also not done program so I'm speaking from experience, not from theory. ________________________________ From: salyavin808 <fintlewoodle...@mail.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 8, 2013 8:54 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: To card - mUrdhajyothiShi to Salya --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long <sharelong60@...> wrote: > > Evolution should be visible. Is that true? Can you absolutely know that's > true? I think so. How do we know someone (or anything) has evolved in any way unless it shows. In this instance, if someone is an aggressive or neurotic asshole after many years of TM it's safe to conclude that it hasn't worked. I know a lot of people like this, they'll tell you it's the best thing ever though. Questions from Byron Katie's The Work. > And about YF: I don't think it involves breaking the law of gravity. I > think it involves accessing a deeper law of laws that are yet to be > discovered and or articulated. This is my best guess. That the law of gravity isn't being broken is a given. I had the deep, deep misfortune of seeing John Hagelin's lecture of the physics of yogic "flying". His basic contention is that we can think from the level of the Planck scale and influence the probability of quantum events into whatever desire we choose. Thus gaining complete mastery over the laws of nature. Apart from the rather obvious fact that no one has ever demonstrated mastery of anything other than jumping in a predictably parabolic fashion the idea doesn't stand up to the merest scrutiny. We can measure individual thoughts at the level they occur in the brain, they don't disappear beyond the quantum level just because you are meditating. They wouldn't exist there in the same way that nothing individual exists at that level because everything at the quantum scale is indistinguishable. Not that you could detach thoughts from where they are and shrink them billions of times or send them to "deeper" levels anyway. None of it makes a fart of sense in any way that I can see. It's so illogical and preposterous it just makes me want to scream and pull what's left of my hair out. But what gets me about it is the way Hagelin laughs at Einstein and Newton, and the audience laughs along "They were so misguided. We know the truth, we have mastery over nature" Bonkers cult weirdness, I would love to lend it to some physicists I know but I'd hate them to die laughing. My best guess after doing it religiously for ten years is that YF is a bunch of deludedly hopeful people jumping about making farmyard noises. And not a lot else. And I used to do demo's for the NLP! Remove the beliefs and teaching about what is happening and you'll stop doing it by the end of the week. Guaranteed. And suddenly a whole new wonderful vista opens up, it's called having time to do stuff other than sit in the dome! I loved it when I quit the "sidhis" it was like being born again, I can't explain why it took ten years but there you go....
