My bad. I didn't mean to steal your thunder. I guess I was just
anticipating the connection you were going to make in your next post.
(-:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson <mjackson74@...>
wrote:
>
> Evidently you need to take some classes in basic reading comprehension
- I did not say anything about Bevan and Company aiding and abetting
GIRISH - I said they did that about MARSHY.
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: seventhray27 steve.sundur@...
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 10:17 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment
>
>
> Â
> Bravo Michael! I was wondering when you'd get up to speed. Now
let me make sure I have it straight. Bevan and the rest had to know
what Girish was up to, and they aided and abetted all his alleged
activities. You are speaking of this as though you have first hand
knowledge of this. An is it okay for me to use the word "alleged",
or is that just some old fashioned western concept.
> And, would it be a bit of fallacy to declare that Maharishi was a
typical male Hindu and therefore misogynisitic and therefore declare
that he embraces all attributes you have in quotes, (without a clickable
link I might add). Â
> I cannot take issue with the fact that there are no woman in
positions of authority in the TMO. I think that would be well to be
remedied if the movement can survive, but to take that fact and
therefore draw the conclusions you make I think is unwarranted, and a
stretch.
> But let's be real. That is your usual method of operation.
> And may I anticipate your retort.
> "To seventhray and all those who are in deep denial about the real
TMO, there is little hope you can climb out of you naive perceptions."
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@
wrote:
> >
> > I think you are looking through gold tinted glasses - Bevan and all
the rest who were close to Marshy had to know what he was up to, they
condoned and abetted his womanizing, lying and defrauding people
financially, so in that sense they are good custodians of his "legacy" -
they Girish is a Marshy student who learned the tricks of a fake master
at his uncle's knee - its is just more of the same behavior - nothing
else.
> >
> > There never have been and never will be women in positions of power
in the TM Movement because Marshy was a misogynistic man with fairly
typical male Hindu
> > views of women (kitchen and bedroom), but don't believe me, let's
see what some Indian women have to say on the matter:
> >
> > "For Indians, girls are a burden; the desire for male progeny is as
> > natural to us as breathing. We utter prayers, make vows, observe
fasts,
> > bow before this or that divinity all for the cherished, penis-laden
> > offspring, all so that we may not remain childless or burdened with
the
> > debit side of the accountââ¬"the girl child. For burden she
isââ¬"practically
> > every Indian, in almost every single region of India, barring a few
> > areas where matrilineal systems existââ¬"must be familiar with
the idea
> > that a girl is ââ¬Å"paraya dhan,ââ¬ï¿½Ã¢â¬"the
treasure of anotherââ¬â¢s home. Exiled at
> > birth, she already belongs to her in-laws, who are her
ââ¬Å"trueââ¬ï¿½ family.
> > The word ââ¬Å"treasureââ¬ï¿½ should not fool us. We are
commodities, chattel,
> > goods. Why else would we have to pay a groomââ¬â¢s family
for the favor of taking the girl child off our sinful hands?"
> >
> > from this page: http://www.intrepidreport.com/archives/8529
> >
> >
> > "Sons are taught that they are a blessing to be cherished and that
> > women are there to serve them however they please. This is only
echoed
> > in Bollywood films, which are regrettably romanticized by the west,
in
> > which male protagonists depict their sexual prowess by sexually
> > harassing the principal female character into submission. In the
world
> > of Indian melodramas, a "no" will inevitably turn to a "yes" after a
few song and dance routines in the rain, of course.
> >
> > Women have no ally in the legislature either, as every major
political party has candidates that have been charged with crimes
> > against women, ranging from domestic abuse to rape. Additionally,
Indian jurisprudence sanctions a "virginity test" to determine the
credibility of the victim's statement. In the test, a
> > doctor inserts two fingers into the woman's vagina to determine the
> > presence or absence of the hymen and the general "laxity" of the
vagina, and presumably, the victim herself."
> > From the page:
http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/30/world/asia/misogyny-india
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Susan wayback71@
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 5:30 PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual
harassment
> >
> >
> > ÃÂ
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" dhamiltony2k5@ wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" <wayback71@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"
> > > <fintlewoodlewix@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In a modern world the TM-movement still does not have
sexual
> > > harassment guideline for its employees and officers?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Probably not, I imagine they still hope that the stuff they
> > > > > > teach about spontaneous right action and coherent behaviour
> > > > > > is actually true and they therefore don't need a legal fall
> > > > > > back.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But if this story is true, it isn't an employee it's the guy
> > > > > > at the top and he isn't going to want harassment guidelines
> > > > > > is he?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Still, at least he hasn't claimed he was "helping her with
> > > > > > her karma". I look forward to a full report in TM News
> > > > > > magazine.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > What is the TM administration going to do about him? [?] The
Girish
> > > story seems to broaden everyday. Do a google 'news' search for
"Girish
> > > Varma". He comes right up now, Times of India every day:
Molestation,
> > > extortion, attemped murder, Sex in the back seat of an Audi.
Five-Star
> > > Hotels. Other women come forward. It's very unfortunate. Jeeesus.
> > > > >
> > > > > The guy could take the whole Indian TM sub-continent down with
him
> > > and TM Europe and the Americas too. Who would want to be
associated
> > > with him?
> > > > >
> > >
http://globalpeaceproject.net/about-us/the-foundation/brahmananda-sarasw\
\
> > > ati-foundatio-board-of-directors/
> > > > >
> > > > Agreed, he could take the entire TMO down. At the very least,
there
> > > will need to be major restructuring, looking over finances (that
is if
> > > there is anything left for the TMO as opposed to the family
members!).
> > > Girish could be the legacy that gets remembered. Starts with MMY
and the
> > > Beatles and the finale is 50 years later with Girish. Somewhere
here are
> > > lessons to be learned. It could be that TM-USA will separate from
> > > India. Seems in India it was just a big business with a cover
story of
> > > education.. Here, we raised the money for them, and also did the
> > > scientific research part.
> > > > Buck, are there big raja meetings to discuss this stuff? I wold
think
> > > that Bevan and JOhn and RajaRaam are pretty worried.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Susan, Yep one should wonder and hope that everyone on this Board
of
> > > Directors list is thinking a lot about this. Notice there are no
women
> > > on our SBS Foundation Board:
> >
> > Yes, there are no women. Because I believe that MMY did not want
them on the board, right? It would be a real shame if the actions of one
or a few undid all the years of genuine devotion on the part of many on
this list, and Tony and John and Bevan. Whether you like them or not,
they are devotees and have, imo, worked hard to make MMY"s ideas a
reality.
> > Probably after MMY died they had serious misgivings about Girish and
wanted to remove him, but they waited knowing MMY had picked him. Graft
can happen anywhere, but I think organizations that are more mature have
learned to have committees and oversight at every stage, especially when
it comes to money issues. The temptation is just so great. And then
there is the sex issue. Tough one, that.
> > >
> > >
> > >
http://globalpeaceproject.net/about-us/the-foundation/brahmananda-sarasw\
\
> > > ati-foundatio-board-of-directors/
> > >
<http://globalpeaceproject.net/about-us/the-foundation/brahmananda-saras\
\
> > > wati-foundatio-board-of-directors/>
> > >
> > > * Avinoam Shlomo Barkol ââ¬" Educator
> > > Ramat-Gan, Israel
> > > * John H. Black, M.A. ââ¬" Educator
> > > Palo Alto, CA, USA
> > > * Rafael David ââ¬" Business Entrepreneur
> > > Vero Beach, FL, USA
> > > * Howard Martin Chandler, Ph.D. ââ¬" Educator
> > > Boston, MA , USA
> > > * James Kevin Egan, Ph.D. ââ¬" Business Entrepreneur
> > > Boone, NC, USA
> > > * Hugh Richard Alan Godfrey ââ¬" Retired Businessman
> > > London, England
> > > * Shawn Jeffrey Herman, MBA ââ¬" Retired Real Estate Manager
> > > Palo Alto, CA, USA
> > > * Richard Glenn Ross, B.F.A. ââ¬" Educator
> > > Fairfield, IA, USA
> > > * Harris Kaplan ââ¬" Retired Investment Fund Manager
> > > Boone, NC, USA
> > > * Steve Rubin ââ¬" Retired Businessman
> > > Sebastian, FL, USA
> > > * John Hagelin. Ph.D. ââ¬" Quantum Physicist and Educator
> > > Fairfield, IA, USA
> > > * John Fagan. Ph.D. ââ¬" Research Scientist and Activist
> > > Fairfield, IA, USA
> > > * Graham Anthony de Freitas, Ph.D. ââ¬" Administrator and
Educator
> > > Fairfield, IA, USA
> > > * Ior Guglielmi, M.D. ââ¬" Medical Doctor
> > > Verona, Italy
> > > * Robert LoPinto ââ¬" Retired Businessman
> > > Rockville, MD, USA
> > > * Thomas Elijah Stanley ââ¬"Philanthropist
> > > Fairfield, IA, USA
> > > * Robert G. Wynne, Ph.D. ââ¬"Mayor
> > > Maharishi Vedic City, IA, USA
> > > * Charoen-Rajapark ââ¬" Businessman
> > > Bangkok, Thailand
> > > * Paul Potter ââ¬" Educator
> > > New York, USA
> > > * Michael Charles Dillbeck, Ph.D ââ¬" Scientist and Educator
> > > Champaign, IL, USA
> > > * Bruce Plaut, CPA, MBA ââ¬" Accountant and Businessman
> > > Fairfield, IA, USA
> > > * Emanuel Schiffgens ââ¬" Administrator
> > > Hannover, Germany
> > > * Kingsley Brooks, M.A. ââ¬" Administrator
> > > Lincoln, MA, USA
> > > * Bjarne Steffen Landsfeldt ââ¬" Administrator
> > > Mausing, Kjellerup, Denmark
> > > * Willem Meijles, Ph.D. ââ¬" Administrator
> > > Vlodrop, The Netherlands
> > > * Antonio Bartolomé Menéndez ââ¬" Businessman
> > > Banastás, Huesca, Spain
> > > * Mariano Facipieri ââ¬" Businessman
> > > Baschi, Italy
> > > * Jose Luis Alvares Roset ââ¬" Administrator
> > > Barcelona, Spain
> > > * John Carol Konhaus ââ¬" Agriculturalist and Administrator
> > > Nasu, Japan
> > > * Felix Urs Kägi ââ¬" Administrator
> > > Zürich, Switzerland
> > > * James Rogers Badgett Jr. ââ¬" Businessman
> > > Fairfield, IA, USA
> > > * Peter Warburton, M.A. ââ¬" Administrator
> > > Rendlesham, Woodbridge, Suffolk, UK
> > > * Patrick John Barrett, Ph.D. ââ¬" Clinical Psychologist
> > > Boone, NC, USA
> > > * Lucien Mansour ââ¬" Retired Businessman
> > > Brussels, Belgium
> > > * Dean Dodrill ââ¬" Business Entrepreneur
> > > Washington, D.C., USA
> > > * Bevan Morris, Ph.D. ââ¬" Educator
> > > Maharishi Vedic City, Iowa, USA
> > > * Benjamin Feldman, ââ¬" Administrator
> > > Mexico City, Mexico
> > > * Volker Schanbacher, Ph.D. ââ¬" Research Physicist and
Educator
> > > Heidelberg, Germany
> > > * Christopher Bromley Crowell, M.A. ââ¬" Administrator and
Educator
> > > Vlodrop, The Netherlands
> > > * Larry Chroman, M.A. ââ¬" Investment Fund Manager
> > > Tiburon, CA, USA
> > > * Rainer Picha, M.D. ââ¬" Cardiologist and Research
Scientist
> > > Vienna, Austria
> > > * Peter Frederick Swan ââ¬" Agriculturalist
> > > Cape Town, South Africa
> > > * Dr. Eike Hartmann ââ¬" Architect
> > > Hannover, Germany
> > > * Major General Kulwant Singh ââ¬" Retired Indian Army
Officer
> > > New Delhi, India
> > > *
> > >
> >
>
