Akasha: : > > > > <snip> > > > > > To hold, as some appear to, that we meditate for 20-30 years > > > > > and then one day, the room goes from total darkness to total > > > > > light, is funny, in a charming way. So to the extent people > > > > > keep insisting IT is already there, they are correct -- to a > > > > > degree. It comes and goes. Or more corectly, though still > > > > > inaccurately, we move into it, and then get bounced out.
Judy: > > > > That's certainly been my experience. And it's > > > > definitely progressive, as you suggest later. A: > > > So, to clarify (my understanding), its not that you don't want to be overshadowed (as in a permanent state of "overshadowment"). Its not that Awareness is not (never) present. Its that you simply want to be overshadowed less often. That you want Awareness to be Aware / present more often. J: > > Sure, preferably all the time, but I'll take > > whatever I can get! > > > > I also find that the more often/longer Awareness > > is "present," the more of a pain it is when it > > "goes away." J: > Just out of curiosity, did you really have me pegged > as someone who believes what you wrote in the first > sentence of the paragraph at the top? A: I don't try to peg anyone. As you may know, from past convos, I try to postpone pegging, evaluating or judging people util the last necessary moment. I know that sounds like SimilAdvaita -- but its true, that is my ethic as of late. And for a while. I postpone until I have to decide on some action with regards to them pertinent to the evaluation of them. You may know in chain-suppy management and other business managment specialties, the last 20 years have been rocked by the concept of JIT -- Just In Time -- often refering to inventory management -- meaning the truck with more steel panels pulls up to the factory just as they are using their last ones. Thus minimizing or eliminating inventory costs -- which can be huge. Anyway, a digression to give some context to JIT-Judgements. It keeps the mind and nadis free of clogging inventories of useless judgements. But I was not really thinking of you when I said some appear to hold that we meditate for 20-30 years and then one day, the room goes from total darkness to total light. I am not sure anyone really holds that position, but some statements highly imply it at times. Apparenetly, possibly, unbeknownst to them or their conscious acknowledgement. For example, some may wax eloquently, and extensively on Consciousness and then imply, and sometimes even emphatically state, that "but 'you' can't possibly understand what I am talking about, and you can't posssibly speak sensibly on the topic because, well, the experience of pure consciousness has never dawned within you. And certainly it is not there now. I am certain." I mean, ones gotta bite their lip to keep from bursting out laughing in their face. Or others, pronounce as emphatically, that the experience of pure consciousness could finally dawn if you just simply gave up believing that its not there. Again, one just has to laugh -- though discretely. Do they really expect you to accept the premise of the question -- that after 40 years of meditation, 2+ years of long rounding, lots of pujas, one has no experience of PC? Its mind boggling that people can .. well never mind. What did puzzle me about you, are some of your recent statements about not wanting to be overshadowed anymore. While it would be hard to believe that you never experienced PC in activity, I understand that some may not connect "that thing" with PC. And to that extent, some dialectic in the matter can be useful (I think). So I was seeking clarification. J: > I ask because I've said in a number of posts that the > longer I meditate, the less overshadowed I am. I apologize, I dont always read all of your posts. (Mostly during periods when its "you said, no you said" diologues. Sorry.) So I may have inadvertently missed some good stuff. > And certainly MMY teaches that it's a gradual process, > so I'm not sure why any TMer would hold that belief. Yes, it boggles the mind. But doesn't some of the diologue here seem to imply it? Maybe its just me and I am missing some peoples points. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
