--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "off_world_beings" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "off_world_beings" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > The word 'evolution' does NOT imply 'purpose.' > > > > > > > > The sentient beings of the universe, as far as I can > > > > tell, are all evolving. But personally I don't think > > > > that there is anywhere in particular that they are > > > > evolving *to*. I have no problem with everything > > > > always evolving, but in a chaotic (meaning Inter- > > > > dependent Origination) way. No goal, no purpose, > > > > just beings interacting and moving in the karmic > > > > direction spawned by that interation.>>> > > > > > > Then the word 'sentient' is out of place and is an illusion > > > that you have placed upon the dead, inert, dumb universe. > > > > I'm not sure I understand what you're saying here. > > I'm presenting the POV that the universe is NOT > > sentient, in the sense of a self-aware universe > > with its own sense of identity, i.e., God.>> > > In my opinion you joined to completely unrelated ideas together > here: intelligence and 'God'. This is the irrational leap that all > the anti-intelligent design scientists make. Intelligent universe > does not imply the common concept of a 'God' and I have never > stated there was a God. You made that leap on your own. > > > > I can conceive of the universe being the sum self > > awareness of all of the sentient beings that dwell > > "within" it, but I'm Buddhist enough to not really > > believe it has a sentience of its own. > > > > > You are avoiding the issue which is that evolution has order. > > > > That's *your* issue. I obviously found other ways > > to entertain myself with the same discussion. I > > have no problem with the universe having order. > > I just don't associate the word 'purpose' with the > > word 'order.'>>> > > Yes you do. > Order has purpose. Whatever its purpose is, is irrelevent, but it > has purpose imposed upon by the nature of the system that it is > expressing. Evolotion absolutlely implies purpose. Its purpose is > evolotion. Now define evolution, without calling it chaos. It has a > direction.
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