"It looks like you've changed your mind about the bun-hopping-levitation too."
I have no idea why you would say that. I thought when I was doing them that the sutras were a mildly interesting practice, but not worth the time for the experiences I was having. I never one of those who thought TM and TMSP was something good to do even if you were not having pleasant experiences or at least useful experiences. levitation sutra was sometimes fun and exhilarating to practice and if I had had any sense I would have just done TM and gone straight into levitation sutra, but I was snookered into believing M was telling us the truth when he said you have to do all the OTHER sutras before you do the flying sutra. I think the amount of time is not worth the pay off (which is very little IMO) with TMSP and I have never believed group TMSP will create world peace or even lower crime rate. Ask all the people who have been raped, robbed or killed in Jefferson County there in Iowa. As to Barry's spending lots of money, if he had it and he enjoyed what he spent it on, why not? Hell, you can lay down 5K on a single yagya with the TMO with not nearly so much fun result as going to Disney. -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 1/17/14, Richard Williams <pundits...@gmail.com> wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing. To: "Richard J. Williams" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> Date: Friday, January 17, 2014, From what I've read, Rama left several million dollars, most of that given to him by his students to support his extravagant lifestyle. Barry probably gave Rama over $10,000 to be able to go see a movie with Rama. So, I wonder what that has taught Barry about giving money to people for spiritual instruction. What happened to all the money? So, how much does it cost to fly Rama over to Paris and put him up in a four-star hotel for a few days? Barry's part of the donation probably cost him close to $5,000. That's a lot of money to just spend just to be able be with your teacher at Disneyland. Go figure. On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 12:40 PM, Michael Jackson <mjackso...@yahoo.com> wrote: I changed my day so I could delve into what you had written - I have gone through a lot of it and it answers most of my questions. Mainly I wanted to know if you thought Rama was legit in the beginning and if you witnessed any of the power or sidhi demonstrations he did. Obviously yes to both. I had a hard time reading much of it because I began to feel a great deal of energy as soon as I started reading, I mean LOTS of energy. So I am taking the reading in stages. Read a little. Sweep my floors a little, clean the bathrooms, come down off the energy a little and read a little more. Two minor questions I have are: Did you know this guy? Mark Laxer Have you ever read his book Take Me for a Ride: Coming of Age in a Destructive Cult Paperback? If so is it accurate? That's all - back to the energy now and thanks for talking and thanks for writing about Rama and all the other things you wrote about. -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 1/16/14, Michael Jackson <mjackso...@yahoo.com> wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing. To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 16, 2014, 4:02 PM Thanks Barry - I am gonna read what you have written and if I have any questions after that, I'll send 'em. Got a busy day today, but I intend to start reading it later tonight. -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 1/16/14, TurquoiseB <turquoi...@yahoo.com> wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing. To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 16, 2014, 8:21 AM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > I would like to have a conversation with you about your time with Rama if you are willing. I am more than happy to do it privately if you like cause I know some on here are going to revile you no matter what you say. So can we talk? I don't mind, as long as you understand a few things at the outset. First, I rarely even think about the dude any more, except when something triggers a memory, as something you said in one of your posts did yesterday. Second, I don't waste my time either condemning or defending him -- he was what he was, and I don't much care what anyone thinks about him. Third, however, and as you say, if we do it here you can expect a lot of "piling on" from stalkers here. They'll do it for various reasons. Some will start piling on when they hear tales of thousands of his students witnessing siddhis they've *still* only read about, after 30 years of pursuing them and after paying thousands of dollars to supposedly learn them. Some will pile on because they don't like me, and they mistakenly believe that if they diss a former teacher I still have some positive feelings about, it'll push my hot buttons the same way me saying things about MMY pushes theirs, and thus I'll react and get into one of the Robin-like "confrontations" with them they so hope for. That's not gonna happen, so we might as well do it here. :-) But I'll warn you ahead of time that my attention span for "things Rama-related" is pretty damned short these days, so if you have questions, make the first few "count," because at some point I'll get tired of the whole thing and bail. :-) That said, ask anything you want, and I'll do my best to answer your questions as honestly as I wrote "Road Trip Mind." That would be a good place to start if you are actually curious about the dude. I wrote it to get the Rama-monkey off my back, and it worked. I don't actually have a great deal more to say about the guy than I said in that book. http://www.ramalila.net/RoadTripMind/index.html