It refers to folks like Buck and Nabby and Feste
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On Sat, 2/22/14, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com <awoelfleba...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Empathy versus cruelty
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, February 22, 2014, 2:49 AM
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...>
wrote:
“One of the
saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been
bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of
the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out
the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too
painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been
taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost
never get it back.”
I actually
disagree with this quote. You are proof that this is not so.
You feel you were bamboozled yet you have come out the other
side and refuse to be bamboozled any longer. In fact, you
are trying your damnedest to reveal the dirty secrets of the
bamboozlers. (Isn't that a great word?!)
― Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle
in the Dark
My thanks to Kyle who brought this to my attention.
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On Fri, 2/21/14, dhamiltony2k5@...
<dhamiltony2k5@...>
wrote:
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Moral Behavior and TM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, February 21, 2014, 3:22 PM
Yep; No, no this is an old
vendetta you keep. You have no idea what they are like
now.
Born in
to life with their personalities, their upbringings and
such
all
these people put their pants on one leg at a time in life.
You left
TM a long time ago. They stayed on the path and you
wandered
off in
to the world a long time ago. This is hardly a scientific
conclusion
or spiritually fair what you are asserting. You'd have
to come back
to better judge how it goes for these guys. No, you are
just making
excuses for railing against TM again instead of
understanding these people
and what makes them tick otherwise. Their bad-behavior
mostly likely
had not anything to do with the practice of TM it was just
who they
were.
-Buck
, Michael Jackson wrote:
Specifically, I have found fault with
Bevan Morris, Greg and Georgina
Wilson, Bill Sands, Neal Patterson, Marshy, Girish,
the Srivastavas
brothers, Susan Humphries, Cris Crowell, John
Hagelin,
Reed Martin and
all the lying and manipulation that they and other
small medium and
large managers in the TMO have done.
RW
writes:So, what do these people have to do with your
meditation?
MJackson74 writes
Okay Buddy, you
are laying it on the line here:
"Obviously we are born in to this wold with nature and
then there is nurture. Evidently moral behavior is
something
developed and cultured in good upbringing. My feeling in
watching is that a lot of the bad behavior that MJ in
writing here for instance is so upset about in the TM
community movement comes from bad upbringing and does not
have so much of anything to do with whether some one
meditates. It's mostly bad manners without virtue.
Evidently. That's what I see, they are just being bad
people for their poor upbringings and sometimes they are
even immoral. Okay, that can be really bad at times on the
part of some but not the normative of most folks. Just
really bad upbringing."
The whole point to many of my posts here is that TM does
not
work as you claim it works. The WHOLE FUCKING POINT to TM
all these years is that TM IMPROVES EVERYTHING! That is the
claim made for it. That's the whole point to doing TM,
improving your life. If one has bad upbringing, then TM can
make you a better person. Why do you think the David Lynch
leeches are pushing so hard to get TM to the AT RISK
populations, especially the young ones??? To, among other
things, counteract BAD UPBRINGING!
So if bad upbringing can't be negated or improved by
regular practice of TM, what good is the practice? You have
hoist yourself on your own petard, Buck. You seem to be
saying that if one has bad upbringing, TM won't change
the behavior that bad upbringing creates.
Specifically, I have found fault with Bevan Morris, Greg
and
Georgina Wilson, Bill Sands, Neal Patterson, Marshy,
Girish,
the Srivastavas brothers, Susan Humphries, Cris Crowell,
John Hagelin, Reed Martin and all the lying and
manipulation
that they and other small medium and large managers in the
TMO have done.
Are you saying that all the above named individuals had bad
upbringing? You are making excuses for why TM obviously
seems to work in reverse for people who run the
Movement.
