Do you reckon the regular TM leaders in the UK would ever welcome Chris and
Colin back into the Certified Governor fold?
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On Wed, 4/2/14, salyavin808 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Question for Sal
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, April 2, 2014, 11:51 AM
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...>
wrote :
So at what point
did the price raising come?
Long before
we became Scorpionland, about 1999 during or just before the
NATO strike on Yugoslavia. But it went up even more just
before the Iraq war. I'm not saying there is a
connection myself. It was just a constant game to raise
money. It backfired anyway.
What I mean is, did M raise the price of TM and exhort
everyone to teach as many as possible which resulted in some
Governors going rogue and teaching for a lesser price
directly contrary to what Marshy wanted before the scorpion
nation deal?
Yes.
Or did that happen after The UK was no longer a scorpion
nation?
And who was it that stood up in the conference call and
suggested lowering the price, was it Chris Greathead or
Colin Beckley?
LOL, it was
Colin. I sat in on that one and applauded his balls in
standing up for himself. It went like this "Maharishi
wants us to concentrate on raising coherence and to do this
we need more people doing group flying but mostly we need
new meditators"
Colin
Beckley says "Well why don't we lower the price so
we can teach more!"
Seemed
reasonable but you don't question decisions of the
reesh, especially with non-governors listening
in.
It went on
for ages getting really heated. Most teachers would argue
that the amount they teach stays the same regardless of cost
and that high prices encourage people who are more likely to
keep doing it. I think that's a bit of True Believerism
myself, adjusting your beliefs to stay in favour when things
are beyond your control.
Colin's
point was that he taught in an area with a large student
population and they'd always laugh when he told them the
price at the end of an intro talk. Most students struggle to
buy second hand clothes let alone fork out £500 for
meditation classes. I never met Colin but he was apparently
a keen and devoted teacher who thought that Marshy had made
a big mistake. Of course, the idea that Marshy was capable
of making mistakes is enough to seriously raise
eyebrows.
Anyway, he quit after that. But
after Marshy died the price came down very swiftly to
it's current structure which matches to earnings, and
then you can get grants from David Lynch I
think.
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On Wed, 4/2/14, salyavin808 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Question for Sal
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, April 2, 2014, 9:13
Scorpion
Nation? Ah, that takes me back. 2005 it was, the TMO in the
UK had always been strong, and generous, we had three large
academies, a purpose built town and a network of lively
centres. Marshy's favourite group of devotees, always
willing to cough up for yagyas and any other project that
came along. Quite
the role model for a perfect society you'd
think.
I was
living in a TM centre at the time, not as a devotee, I just
needed somewhere to live. They had closed all the academies
to pay for the pundit project and encourage us to build
vastu ones. Even the
one I lived in which was pretty annoying but there you are.
But I wasn't a believer at that point, not by a long
stretch. I'd seen enough fraud and flakery and was
there
strictly as a "take what you need and leave the
rest" type. And even that was wearing thin, I was
having to avoid all broadcasts on the Marshy channel
because
they made my skin crawl, except for the weekly press
conference. Wish I'd taped some of that, that would be
youtube gold. Especially the one where Marshy said that the
reason the US hadn't caught Bin Laden was because of
our
coherence creating and laughed! A surreal and disturbing
moment and Hagelin tried to deny he'd meant that but
the
journalist wasn't convinced, me
neither.
Anyway,
after the Iraq invasion Marshy decided that was the last
straw and called the office at Skem to tell the assembled
governors that he was closing the movement in the UK as our
national consciousness was too poisonous to deserve what he
was offering. Amid
all the wailing, tears and protests Marshy asked if there
was any good reason why he shouldn't. Wish I'd been
there to answer that, first there is the obvious illogic of
the "feeding nectar to the scorpion" if the ME
worked then we need more TM not less. If it doesn't
work
we might as well carry on regardless. The idea that there
is
a critical mass whereby the ME is bad until the threshold
is
passed and then it becomes good is another layer of madness
on top of all the others. It did him no
favours.
Then there's the political argument. No
one liked Tony Blair, he just wasn't as
bad as the opposition. That's how democracy works,
it's a crap system of government but better than the
alternative. Nobody prioritised war when they voted as
every
party was in favour anyway. Most of the western world went
along with the idea that it would be quick and painless and
we'd be rid of a vile dictator and be able to control
the oil supply much easier.
I don't know what the real reason was, maybe
Marshy actually believed his delusions about the world,
maybe he felt he had to act like it was all real regardless
of whether it made sense or not. Maybe he was just nuts at
that point, but he'd done it before with Denmark (?)
for
something to do with the national leader saying the wrong
thing, can't remember what happened but it was well
trivial. The whole concept is petty and spiteful and really
upset a lot of friends of mine who sincerely believe all
this stuff. It seemed like a sort of megalomania but he
gave
everyone the idea he was doing it for their own good.
Narcissism? Paranoia? They say he tripled the price because
a group of teachers from the UK asked him to lower
it.
Anyway, I
laughed when I heard about Scorpion land. It was the icing
on the cake really. I went off Marshy very early on, I
didn't believe a word of the vedic "science"
I
thought Tony Nader and John Hagelin were either insane or
lying. I couldn't watch 10 minutes of the channel
without shuddering in terror. Then I heard about the Kaplan
letter and joined FFL so I could read it in the files
section. And then I thought I'd make just one
post....
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
<mjackson74@...>
wrote :
Sal, having been
highly entertained by some references you have made
regarding the "scorpion nation" deal, I wanted to
ask if you remember where you were and what your reaction
was upon hearing of the Old Goat's condemnation of your
country? Just curious.
