You know, I missed this part: If you cannot, please explain to us why we shouldn't consider them mere examples of spiritual bigotry and hatred, spouted by someone anxious to impose his notions of an Old Testament God onto Maharishi's notions of "Being" and overwrite them...replace them with a vengeful, neurotic God who is willing (and able) to deny experience of Him to anyone who does not believe as he or she "should."
Nowhere did John say anything even remotely to this effect. This "vengeful, neurotic God" comes straight from Barry's imagination. It's actually Barry who is anxious to impose his notions of God onto John. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <awoelflebater@...> wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <turquoiseb@...> wrote : John, since you persist in this somewhat presumptuous folly, I'd like you to *document* why you believe it, and believe that *your* version of who can transcend and who cannot seems to differ from Maharishi's. Please find and post for us quotes from him that say what you claim, that only those who believe in God can transcend. I seem to remember many lectures and writings in which he stated the opposite, that "every human being can transcend." I remember in particular lectures in which he was asked whether people of very low IQ or suffering from brain damage could transcend, and he answered with an unequivocal "Of course. Anyone who can think can transcend." I don't seem to remember very many quotes in which he added, "Everyone can transcend...EXCEPT those who don't believe in God." It seems that you have found these quotes, so please share them with us. Or are you possibly doing what The Corrector has done lately, and projecting what *you* want to believe onto someone you consider an authority. She feels safe with claiming to know the "definitive" interpretation of Jesus' words, based solely on having read translations of what he is *reputed* to have said, written down by other people. You seem equally comfortable supplying this "missing phrase" to "complete" the teachings of someone who actually wrote his *own* teachings down. Please share the source of your insights with us. If you cannot, please explain to us why we shouldn't consider them mere examples of spiritual bigotry and hatred, spouted by someone anxious to impose his notions of an Old Testament God onto Maharishi's notions of "Being" and overwrite them...replace them with a vengeful, neurotic God who is willing (and able) to deny experience of Him to anyone who does not believe as he or she "should." Me, I just think you got your buttons pushed by a few people honestly stating an opinion about the non-existence of an imaginary being you have heavily invested in, and are trying to find some way to lash out at these heretics. In your mind, you have found find ways to deny them both the ability to transcend, and the ability to become enlightened. You seem unaware that doing so forces you to contradict the person you claim to hold as your spiritual teacher, and enlightened himself. I'd like to see you find direct quotes from this teacher (Maharishi) that support your theory. If you cannot, I reserve the right to consider you Just Another Spiritual Bigot, and a rather stupid one at that. We'll wait. You're a rude and ignorant fuck-up Bawee. Why don't you just shut up and butt out and let civilized people engage in an intelligent and progressive exchange of ideas. John is one of the more non-reactive and polite posters here. It's great to see him engage on a subject that this forum seems to have been set up investigate - actual exchanges about transcendence and spiritual or deeper life experiences. You are just some snarly old poop who just has to burp in anyone's direction who has an opinion different from your own. Take your shitty attitude somewhere else or go have another beer. Either way, you add nothing of relevance or interest to either this conversation or any subject that extends in depth beyond what you can tell us CBS has for its Fall TV lineup.
