Share is referring to this post: .
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/386545
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/386545
Trouble is, it doesn't seem to have anything to do with the knowledge
emptybill provided that she was thanking him for.
He was telling us that the quickest path to God ("although not recommended")
has been said to be through anger at God:
Apparently you are unaware of the paths to god through Raudra Rasa and Krodha
Bhava.
Although not recommended, they are considered the swiftest means of god
realization.
Sort of counterintuitive, but I remember a story of some kind about how being
consumed with anger toward God makes God more real to the angry person than
does simple devotion. Don't know if that has anything to do with what emptybill
was talking about, but it does make a certain amount of sense.
In Judaism, it's OK, even sometimes desirable, to be angry with God:
The Talmud says that a man is not punished for what he says when he is
troubled. Life hurts. Sometimes we may need to be unreasonable, sometimes we
may need to shout and cry. God wants us to offer Him our wounded souls with all
of their “ugly” realities, including our anger. That is a real relationship,
and it is the only path to real healing, spiritual or otherwise.
http://www.aish.com/sp/ph/Trauma_Anger_and_Confronting_God.html
http://www.aish.com/sp/ph/Trauma_Anger_and_Confronting_God.html
I wonder whether the notion that anger can be of great spirtual benefit is
what Share has been tap-dancing around.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <sharelong60@...> wrote :
Ann, it's the post I sent on Monday at 11:45 am.
On Monday, June 9, 2014 8:53 PM, "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]"
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <sharelong60@...> wrote :
Ann, I have already written an explanation of why I find the rasa/bhava info
useful.
Well, not to me you didn't. You said thank you to Empty, you said you googled
it, you said you sent me a link, you said you wrote me an explanation. But I
don't see it. Excuse me if I missed it but can you point it out to me?
On Monday, June 9, 2014 4:47 PM, "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]"
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <sharelong60@...> wrote :
Ann, I provided you with a link so that you can see for yourself if the info
is useful for you. It's not complicated.
What appears complicated is getting you to tell my why you find this info
"useful". I can tell you for a fact that I find it utterly useless for me.
On Monday, June 9, 2014 3:11 PM, "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]"
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <sharelong60@...> wrote :
Wonderful knowledge, Richard, thank you for sharing this. I think rasa can
also be translated as "taste."
When you figure out how all of this is "useful" I'd love to know. I'm still
workin' on fixing my dishwasher and changing the oil in my tractor. A little
rasa with my bhava might just come in handy about now. C'mon, share your
secrets, don't keep me wondering.
On Monday, June 9, 2014 2:46 PM, "'Richard J. Williams' punditster@...
[FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
On 6/9/2014 11:45 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@...
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
Rasas and bhavas are all about emotions >
According to what I've read, the term rasa and bhava in Sanskrit can mean
internal feelings, emotions, a mood or a devotional state of mind. It is
usually associated with devotional emotions and one's mental condition toward
one's istadevata.
In bhakti yoga, the term rasa is associated with the youthful Krishna and the
Gopis in the so-called Rasa Dance under the Autumn moon at Vrindavan. The rasa
or mood of the gopis was directed toward Krishna and so the cow girls performed
a dance full of rasa - loving devotion toward the Lord. It's called the "rasa
dance" for a reason and one thing is clear, all the gopis were adult married
women and Krishna was but a child. Apparently the gopis were so attracted to
Krishna that they couldn't control their emotions. Go figure.
However, sometimes the term "rasa" refers to certain base persons who merely
imitate the moods of prema or love, for material gain or personal enjoyment.
Certain "rasiks" sometimes imagine that they feel the divine emotions of
Krishna or Srimati Radharani. Yet, these persons sometimes do not understand
that the term 'rasa' means transcendental nectar, not in the sense of mundane
pleasure, but nectar in the sense of effortless, spontaneous transcendental
devotional service.
In Ayerveda, rasayana is a general tonic used for the rejuvenating of energy
in adults and children. It is a mind-transforming decoction akin to the Vedic
amrita or soma. Rasayana is an amphoteric, which in the days of the Indian
alchemists, used to contain mercury. In fact, the actual ingredients of the
Vedic soma are unknown for certain. The key word here is 'ambrosia', the 'Food
of the Gods'.
In the case of Krishna and the gopis, the 'ras', or devine nectar was sexual
in nature. Apparently, having sexual relations is ideal during the Autumn moon,
and this I can agree with without hesitation. However, to be sexually molested
as a mere boy, by dozens of emotional and sexually excited gopis, in the middle
of the night is pure tantra, fer sure!
