--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I beg your pardon? When did I ever suggest I was > enlightened?
**** Then why so adamant about your "position" on the topic? (Further comments on Peter and Irmeli appear below). After years of delving into these topics myself, I have come to a conclusion - if the important truths involved in the various levels of realization are so ineffable that the human intellect cannot grasp them, then any concepts that we may have acquired via reading from Maharishi's commentary on the Gita or from Ramana Maharishi or etc. are limited in value in a discussion between people who do not share the same concepts. The concepts themselves were presumably, in their original intent, imperfect attempts by "realized" individuals to explain ineffable truths to others, or at least, to help others to come to the same ineffable realizations themselves. If, in addition, the concepts have a venerable tradition enshrined by religious authority, then they may have devolved over time to take into account the understandings of some who have not also had the ineffable realizations themselves. For these reasons, what I look for in any discussion of this kind are candid expressions of "personal" experience (I put "personal" in quotes for the sake of those that would have it that there is no "I" to have them). I sometimes read such expressions from Irmeli, Peter, and others. They can be refreshing in their honest, yet apparently contradictory nature. I suspect some truth coming from each of these parties. And the contradictions do not bother me. After all, ultimate truth is said to contain all opposites. Irmeli wrote in response to Peter: <<Clearly it is futile to discuss these issues with you. With my waking state reality I just cannot comprehend you.>> **** Such a shame - you each have so much to contribute. BTW, there may be a problem with the term "waking state" here. Irmeli appears to be using it to mean the state that the body/mind is in when it arises from sleep and goes about the activities of the day. Peter appears to be using it to mean the state that the body/mind is in before a certain level of realization in the field of universal consciousness. After this, the body/mind still arises from sleep and goes about the activities of the day. anonX ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
