how many others had the impression, given by the TMO that TM was the one true path of spirituality? show of hands.......almost no one?
but always nice to know that I don't know jack shit about what you believe, but you know for certain MMY was not enlightened. You are funny guy Michael. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...> wrote : as usual you don't know jack shit about what I did or didn't do, what I did or didn't believe. I most certainly DID believe that TM was the one true path as did most of the people I knew in my time with TM, not just at MIU. The folks who DIDN'T believe so were looked upon as being benighted, or not quite right. Gas is right - Marshy was a windbag full of gas, and he most certainly was not enlightened. Certainly not by his definition of it. From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 1, 2014 11:32 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday Jeez Michael, I never bought into the TMO claiming that TM was the only "real spiritual path", and neither did you. The only thing you heard, and which was claimed, was that TM being an effortless procedure, was therefore the most natural, and therefore the most effective. Now, I am not making any conclusion about the efficacy of that claim. As others hear say, maybe TM is good beginner technique. It worked for me, and I've had nice experiences. That is all I care to say. Now, I get my spiritual kicks in other areas. Do I believe MMY achieved "enlightenment"? Yes, I do. Do I think things got strange at some point? Yes, again. Do I retain a warm spot for MMY? Yes. And it has grown over time, even though I have distanced myself from the whole tradition he is/was a part of. And it's been a gas! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...> wrote : well its good to see you are not a complete Marshy sycophant because the Movement says that the only real spiritual path is TM - if one is not doing TM and TMSP REGULARLY one is not on a real spiritual path, according to them. So there may be some hope for you yet, not much but some, maybe. From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 1, 2014 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday As usual Michael you seem unable to process anything between all good,or all bad. What you fail to understand is that people are own their own spiritual path. And just because they've gone in a different direction than where they started doesn't mean they discard or denigrate that initial impetus. It just means that their quest has taken a different turn. Really, it's not complicated, and most people understand that, unless of course they only look for some angle to continually demean a particular spiritual practice. As for the rest of what you say,it's the same we hear from you on a daily basis. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...> wrote : If you thought TM was worth a crap you would do it regularly. I have no fondness for nor affinity for people and organizations that are fraudulent and who function as abusers and thieves. Marshy and his big shot TM leaders have proven themselves to be all of the above. As to the technique, nothing special and the downside outweighs the benefits as I see it. From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 11:16 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday Sure, you lay out all the flaws in the whole TM experience. No problem with that. What I perceive in your perspective and that of Edg's is a certain amount of bitterness. And I hope I am wrong. I also was "all in" during my time, as were many of my friends. Some have stayed all in, such as Tom Ball. But never did I swallow whole, all the grandiose claims. I was focused on the benefits I experienced. And I still am focused on that, even if I am not regular in the practice. And so, I am perplexed by the amount of (apparent, at least) animus you carry towards the whole thing. And Edg as well. I assume we all want to move forward, and we do it in different ways. I try not to be judgmental, but I guess I still am. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...> wrote : what you consider blind spots - i.e. thinking the truth about Marshy and company, is actually a realist point of view. From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 8:50 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday I'm not defending the TMO or Jerry, Michael. I'm just pointing out that the vocal accuser has his own skeletons. Sorry if you don't like that. And I guess, FWIW, that Edg suffers from some of same blind spots as you. Turn that any way you wish. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...> wrote : why would you want him to do that? Aren't you too busy praying to Marshy and King Tony for salvation to care? From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 8:31 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday Are we ever going to hear you own up to the outright lies you've told here in the name of making a point that you think needs to be made? talk about crickets! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote : Yeah, my jury's still out about the sex stuff, but there was/is a ton of issues about which Jerry would have very juicy insider information, but he'd never spill the beans about how much money goes to Girish's personal checking account, or how many lawsuits the movement settled out of court all hush hush, or???? We don't know the shit, ya know? International money laundering was COMMON I was told. And, hey, fucking, hey, we were all given to a King who hid his family and kids from us. Oh, come, on, Jerry, where's the PUBLIC complaints to show us your integrity? The thing Jerry could do to make me figure he's on the up and up would be to at least give us some of the details about his leaving, how much he (and his then wife?) got paid AFTER he left, what secret agreements he signed, and most importantly he could tell us all STRAIGHT UP about his own personal evolution and why he didn't inherit the kingdom or at least why he failed to learn how to levitate and what the implications for the techniques are. If he gives me some shit like "I'm living on the level of fulfilment and don't need any exciting experiences like flying." then, why even try to deal with him after that kind of evasiveness? We all want to fly. We were sold that we could fly. We're not flying. Jerry? Jerry? All we get is crickets about the IMPORTANT issues. No one is giving press conferences. THEY'RE FUCKING COWARDS. Fuck, after leaving the movement, I started reading a ton -- books that were NOT ALLOWED -- and I can now see that Maharishi NEVER wanted us to be spiritually hep and in the philosophical-know, because then we'd have asked some questions that would have made him uncomfortable. Like, he never told us jack about the provenance of the mantras -- or even that the mantra set had changed many times before we were even given our list down the road. (My sister-in-law was okayed to teach merely two mantras to students only -- then, later when she grew up, she was told "Just keep giving out those two mantras to adults also now, you don't need the whole set." And, wow, like what the fuck about that, eh?) All these secrets would have been too embarrassing to openly discuss...such as: "Um, Maharishi, you started out with only a couple mantras, and then more later....WHAT THE FUCK...were you, like, not totally enlightened when you first gave out the mantras?" Jerry once chided me because I used the names of Shiva, Brahma and Visnu in a publication of mine -- "it would never do to show the least respect," like that, ya see? But he never chided Maharishi about what he was doing to Hinduism's reputation because of his hob-nobbing with the rich and promising super-powers that would not be delivered. Or did he, and that's why he got fired? If he got fired for those issues and didn't TELL THE REST OF US, well, then, just fuck you Jerry -- you left us all to find out by ourselves that which you knew -- you cost us DECADES of wasted time and maybe up to TWO BILLION DOLLARS of our money that could have gone to charities that actually did shit for the downtrodden. Give me five minutes with Bev the Fat Bastard in an elevator, I dare ya. Somebody's gotta smack the smug off that mug, and at my age, and my race, heck, the judge would probably only be giving me a hand slap and $1,000 fine or something. I got the money. Anyone want to arrange that elevator scenario? I kid. I kid. Or? Edg
