Perhaps the MJ-fellow put some "special" ingredients in the dough :-)
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <punditster@...> wrote : It's not very difficult to understand why you got kicked off staff at MUM and why you'd be posting anonymously after twenty years. I wonder if you sucked as a baker or it was your mouth that got you fired? Go figure. > On 7/2/2014 7:41 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: You have been wearing some major blinders! Marshy said TM was superior in so many different ways. I am guessing that you refuse to acknowledge that fact so you don't have to deal with the two disparate pieces of information. On the one hand you believe Marshy to have been enlightened. On the other, if you acknowledged it, he said TM was better than all the rest and the only really effective and reliable way to nirvana. So if you admitted he took that position, you have to deal with the fact that an enlightened man told lies, (since you don't believe TM is the only path) or that he was not enlightened. I will tell you the way to work it out. While TM has beneficial effects for some practitioners, most cease the practice within a few months. TM is not the "jet plane to enlightenment" Marshy claimed it was, and Marshy was a liar, a con artist and an unenlightened jack ass. From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" mailto:steve.sundur@...[FairfieldLife] <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 2, 2014 7:49 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday how many others had the impression, given by the TMO that TM was the one true path of spirituality? show of hands.......almost no one? but always nice to know that I don't know jack shit about what you believe, but you know for certain MMY was not enlightened. You are funny guy Michael. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...> mailto:mjackson74@... wrote : as usual you don't know jack shit about what I did or didn't do, what I did or didn't believe. I most certainly DID believe that TM was the one true path as did most of the people I knew in my time with TM, not just at MIU. The folks who DIDN'T believe so were looked upon as being benighted, or not quite right. Gas is right - Marshy was a windbag full of gas, and he most certainly was not enlightened. Certainly not by his definition of it. From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 1, 2014 11:32 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday Jeez Michael, I never bought into the TMO claiming that TM was the only "real spiritual path", and neither did you. The only thing you heard, and which was claimed, was that TM being an effortless procedure, was therefore the most natural, and therefore the most effective. Now, I am not making any conclusion about the efficacy of that claim. As others hear say, maybe TM is good beginner technique. It worked for me, and I've had nice experiences. That is all I care to say. Now, I get my spiritual kicks in other areas. Do I believe MMY achieved "enlightenment"? Yes, I do. Do I think things got strange at some point? Yes, again. Do I retain a warm spot for MMY? Yes. And it has grown over time, even though I have distanced myself from the whole tradition he is/was a part of. And it's been a gas! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...> mailto:mjackson74@... wrote : well its good to see you are not a complete Marshy sycophant because the Movement says that the only real spiritual path is TM - if one is not doing TM and TMSP REGULARLY one is not on a real spiritual path, according to them. So there may be some hope for you yet, not much but some, maybe. From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 1, 2014 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday As usual Michael you seem unable to process anything between all good,or all bad. What you fail to understand is that people are own their own spiritual path. And just because they've gone in a different direction than where they started doesn't mean they discard or denigrate that initial impetus. It just means that their quest has taken a different turn. Really, it's not complicated, and most people understand that, unless of course they only look for some angle to continually demean a particular spiritual practice. As for the rest of what you say,it's the same we hear from you on a daily basis. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...> mailto:mjackson74@... wrote : If you thought TM was worth a crap you would do it regularly. I have no fondness for nor affinity for people and organizations that are fraudulent and who function as abusers and thieves. Marshy and his big shot TM leaders have proven themselves to be all of the above. As to the technique, nothing special and the downside outweighs the benefits as I see it. From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 11:16 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday Sure, you lay out all the flaws in the whole TM experience. No problem with that. What I perceive in your perspective and that of Edg's is a certain amount of bitterness. And I hope I am wrong. I also was "all in" during my time, as were many of my friends. Some have stayed all in, such as Tom Ball. But never did I swallow whole, all the grandiose claims. I was focused on the benefits I experienced. And I still am focused on that, even if I am not regular in the practice. And so, I am perplexed by the amount of (apparent, at least) animus you carry towards the whole thing. And Edg as well. I assume we all want to move forward, and we do it in different ways. I try not to be judgmental, but I guess I still am. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...> mailto:mjackson74@... wrote : what you consider blind spots - i.e. thinking the truth about Marshy and company, is actually a realist point of view. From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 8:50 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday I'm not defending the TMO or Jerry, Michael. I'm just pointing out that the vocal accuser has his own skeletons. Sorry if you don't like that. And I guess, FWIW, that Edg suffers from some of same blind spots as you. Turn that any way you wish. (Message over 64 KB, truncated)
