Edg is telling it like it was and it is. I understand the feeling that TM was/is good by some people's POV's, and to some degree or other that belief requires some compartmentalization.
You have to deny, ignore or revamp many events, speeches, activities and behaviors on the part of Marshy and the Movement to be able to still say "This is and was a good thing." But doing so doesn't make it so. Whether in anger, disgust or any other emotion that comes up, those of us who have left the Movement have grown up and left the things of childhood behind. Marshy was a liar, bottom line. He lied about so many things and I understand that many feel the technique that he handed out was of benefit to them so they will ignore the lies, but some of us can't. Even where there was benefit it doesn't justify his and the Movement's behavior. Worst of all, he lied about what TM could do for the world. There will be no TM created world peace, no end of suffering for mankind via the Movement. That is a flat out lie and a fantasy. He said it to make himself important in his sycophants' eyes and to make money. You like him and it, so be it. But Edg and all the rest of us who are free of Movement crap and its lying leader are much richer, much better off than we were when we were TM junkies. Addiction to anything including TM is still addiction. ________________________________ From: "steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 8:41 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: We were kept bare foot and pregnant (was Why MMY's Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic. The teachers that inspired others Edg spoke only from their own experience, and if we didn't understand something, we said so. So, what if we were only fourth graders who had only a little more knowledge than a second grader. Even that little bit of knowledge was impressive to a second grader, and legitimate, I might add. We weren't trained, or paid to be Vedic scholars. But, you're just trying to get rise out of people, and give Michael a chance to say, "atta boy Edg, tell it like it is, Edg" And, if you don't mind my saying, it looks like your latest interest, Advaita, is leaving you dissatisfied as well. Surprise!! not ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote : Speak for yourself, Edg. You say, "We were hustlers with shiny shoes, a $200 suit and a $200 car. We were fucking chumps." But what you actually mean is "I was a hustler with shiny shoes, a $200 suit and a $200 car. I was a fucking chump." ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote : Maharishi never gave a damn about us ever understanding "a philosophy made necessary" if the concept "transcendental" is the basis of it. Except for learning puja and checking notes, we never had "general philosophy 101" classes, never had exams, never had sub-leaders who could lead a discussion about philosophy, never were encouraged to study the Gita or other scriptures, never had any "must memorize" commands, etc. We were forbidden to read any other spiritual books. Yeah, Maharishi taught us by answering the mike-questions, but that was always informal and there was no "lesson plan" for the "students." In short we were put out into the public wilds completely unable to defend TM with concepts and logic.....except such as we were able to individually pony up when the moment came that someone asked a deeper question. We were JOKES, and we didn't know it, but because most of our audiences were as un-scholarly as we were, so we could bullshit to the max. Any PhD in philosophy candidate could have us tied up in knots and sweating buckets. Oh, we were told we were Totakacharya types.....the nice folks who were stupid but who would do great works none-the-less. We swallowed that shit like it was caviar. So don't go pushing Chapter 7 on me -- it's just window dressing in a billion dollar scam. I read the first six chapters and wore out three copies of the book underlining and adding comments and questions in the margins. After I got into Advaita, I read MMY's Gita one last time and I WAS APPALLED at the lack of consistency of how key concepts were used. Go ahead, try to find out what Maharishi would say are the defining DIFFERENCES "being, consciousness, isness, amness, transcendent, awareness, witness, soul, etc." I'll wait. No one....I repeat, NO ONE came off a TM teachers' training course being able to define these words without paradox or treating most of them as if they were synonyms of each other. We were hustlers with shiny shoes, a $200 suit and a $200 car. We were fucking chumps.
