We are all crazy. Who in their right mind would spend so many years in pursuit
of 'the absolute' whose description (no qualities) is exactly the same as
nothing. Admittedly, it has been a lot of fun. At the core of everything, a
vast blank to which we attribute all. Because to talk about it we have to
concoct attributes, thus spending all our time making up shit about it to
convince others it is somehow more real than what they are currently thinking .
Or we adopt other people's made up shit and regurgitate it to others, or
re-purpose it to others. The reason it is fun is because it engages the
intellect and the creative process, to make up stuff about nothing, and make it
seem as if it is something. Kind of like being a deity.
Steve, I do not think you understand the process that the Zen people call
'dharma combat', which on FFL tends to settle into personal rivalry rather than
illumination. The ideas expressed are what is important, not the people.
As the Joker said to Batman 'you complete me'. If you are engaged, a process is
working to completion. That means a process of expansion is happening. The
whole spiritual arc is about completion. Those who are ignored should be
considered unworthy of the journey. Think of it in a positive light.
From: "steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the whiny hysteria we see with Barry is
his own fault
Barry, you are fuckin' crazy?
Admit it, you live for this stuff.
Any sane person would simply ignore posters they don't like.
But, you?
You become fully engaged.
Seriously, my friend, try to find something of interest besides Jim Flanegin
and The_Peak.
No matter what anyone tells you, you do have options.
Remember Judy?
Well, she doesn't post here because she realized the reality of diminishing
returns.
You, on the other hand, have no such understanding.
Good luck.
Oh, sorry about Paris.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <turquoiseb@...> wrote :
Too sad for words. Now we know what an "enlightened" person -- someone who
claims to have achieved "the peak" in life -- does with his time. He looks up a
number of old posts from someone he doesn't like, carefully snips passages from
them and concatenates them together to give the impression that they were all
written at once in a big "wall of words," and posts them in an attempt to
further demonize the person he doesn't like.
What were the terms a couple of this dweeb's followers posted recently on FFL,
claiming that they deplored such tactics? "Misrepresentation?" "Straw man
arguments?"
This appears to be the counterpart of what Mr. Enlightened was doing shortly
before he ran away from FFL with his tail between his legs. Back then he spent
hours scouring the Internet for photographs of the same person he didn't like,
cropped and modified them in Photoshop to make them look more embarrassing than
they really were, and then posted them to FFL. Here he's doing the same thing,
only with words.
For the record -- and for the benefit of his followers on The_Leak, who we all
know will be reading this on FFL -- this is a person who claims to be
enlightened, demonstrating how he believes an enlightened person should act.
Even if you ignore the total lack of ethics involved in this little exercise in
lashing out, you have to wonder how someone supposedly "enlightened" and
representing "the peak" of human achievement has that much hatred in his heart
and time on his hands... :-)
From: "reverse_archery@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 10:12 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the whiny hysteria we see with Barry is his
own fault
Will someone please tell Barry that he is welcome to submit his application to
me, for membership over at The Peak, at any time. But I do have a small
requirement for him first, not reflected in his writing below: mental
stability.
Thanks.
What's always boggled my mind is how many of the people whohave *BEEN* "kept in
line" by TM teachers and "Governors of theAge of Enlightenment" (I mean...just
*think* about that term, and thatpeople are *so* brainwashed that they take it
for granted and never questionit) react. Rather than resenting having been told
what they can and cannot doand what they can and cannot think for years by
these dweebs, *they aspire tobe just like them*. Thus you find people like Jim
Flanegin, who never had whatit took to become a TM teacher, wanting to become
just like them and impose hiswill on others and force them to live the way *he*
wants them to. In a veryreal sense, this strikes me as the same kind of
"inherited behavior"we see in victims of child abuse. Instead of growing up to
hate such abuse,they tend to grow up to become abusers themselves. I find the
very existence of"The_Leak" quite fascinating. It started because one person on
FFL(Jim Flanegin) had a grudge against another person on FFL (moi) because
hewouldn't buy into his (ludicrous) claims of being enlightened.
"Mr.Enlightened" got angrier and angrier and angrier until one day I used
athrowaway phrase to make a point, and Jimbo went fuckin' crazy over it
andstarted slinging libel accusing me of being a pedophile, and encouraging
peopleto sic the authorities on me in the real world. He *also* did the same
thingthat Doug/Buck is *still* doing, and started appealing to Rick Archer to
haveme "thrown off" of FFL, and created whole threads with this in theSubject
line, thus smearing my name in search engines. Rick of course ignoredhim like
the idiotic control freak he was acting like. Me, because what he wasdoing was
ILLEGAL and the very definition of libel, I sicced the Dutch cops onhis ass.
"Mr. Enlightened" reacted by not only NOT apologizing forthe libel, but by
running away and forming his own group, where he has nowdeveloped a history of
banning anyone who dares to say something he doesn'tlike. It's not just the
COWARDICE of all of this that gets me, but the"abused trying to become the
abuser" phenomenon that makes me roll myeyes. After all these years of being
indoctrinated by the TM movement, it'sunderstandable that someone with as weak
an intellect as Jimbo's can no longereven *conceive* of thinking any way other
than he's been told to think. What isless understandable is that he wants to be
able to do to other people what wasdone to him. I guess he finally managed it,
by creating a forum on which *HE*has the final word on what anyone can say and
what they can't. I hope he'sfinally happy. That would be a first, in the entire
time I've "known"him on the Internet. I honestly hope that Jimbo and his
followers have a grandtime over on The_Leak. He gets to finally be the control
freak he's alwayswanted to be, and his "followers" get to feel superior to
thosethey've left behind. But the bottom line is that they simply couldn't
handledealing with a forum on which people were allowed to express their own
ideas asthey wanted. They're only comfortable on a forum in which the ways
they're*allowed* to interact with others is dictated to them. If anyone is
looking todefine "the legacy of the TM movement," I would suggest that this
isit. I did my weekly scan of The_Leak this morning as my Dutch cop friends
haveadvised me to do, just to make sure that the weasel who created the group
isn'tstill spouting libel about me. He doesn't seem to be, so it would seem
thateven the dumbest people can finally learn if you just hit them over the
headwith reality enough times. :-) However, scanning a few of the posts
quicklyjust to get a feel for what they talk about over there, it occurs to me
that afew of them are still holding onto grudges and fostering the notion that
theywere "pushed out" of FFL and "forced" to create anothergroup because Rick
didn't "protect" them and their interests on FFL. Thisstrikes me as so
delusional I felt I should discuss it a bit. First, FairfieldLife was NEVER
created "for them," meaning as a place of refuge (theactual word that Buck used
in one of his latest gripes) for TM True Believers.It's ASTOUNDING that anyone
could *possibly* believe that. FFL has -- since DayOne -- been the *opposite*
of a refuge for TBs. Its charter is right there onthe home page for all to see.
It is *by design* a place where one has the rightto challenge anything and
discuss it. FFL was, in fact, created as an*alternative* to the TM movement
itself, where you could get yourselfexcommunicated just for expressing
criticism or doubt about the official TMdogma, Maharishi, or even TM itself.
How did these bozos who are now holdingcourt over on The_Leak *MISS THAT*? I
mean, that defies belief. HOW did theycome to believe that FFL was somehow
created for *THEM*, and come to believethat if Rick allowed someone (anyone) to
criticize or disbelieve the thingsthey said, that he was somehow "failing" in
his "duties" to"protect" them. It strikes me that the answer to this
"HOW"question can be expressed in one word: E N T I T L E M E N T. Long-term
TMersfeel *entitled* to believe the things they believe, and to claim the
thingsthey claim. They've been taught for decades, for example, that the *only*
thingone has to do to be enlightened is CLAIM to be enlightened. They
havefurthermore been taught that when someone does claim to be enlightened,
it'ssomehow rude or low-vibe or an actual *assault* of some kind
to...uh...notbelieve them. That's insane. OF COURSE I don't believe that many
of the peoplewho claimed to be enlightened on FFL actually were. Duh. All you
have to do islook at the way they lead their lives and watch the ways that they
overreact tosomeone doubting their claims to tell that they're not enlightened.
But theyfeel ENTITLED to make these claims, and furthermore they feel ENTITLED
to makethem without anyone being *allowed* to call them on how ridiculous the
claimsactually are. Well, now they've got their own playground, where they can
claimanything they want, and the audience will just go "Wow," and no onewill
ever ask them to back up anything they claim. It's like they've managed
tocreate the ultimate sandbox for overly-entitled children. And I say"Fine,"
and wish them well with it, if they're so shallow that thatkind of environment
actually appeals to them. But I *DO* wonder WHY -- now thatthey've got this
fairy-tale world where they can spin their fairy tales all daylong and no one
will ever call them on them and point out that they *are* fairytales -- WHY
they spend so much time still bitching about how they were persecutedback on
FFL? And how Rick failed to "protect" them there. It's likethey're still
looking to get someone to *apologize* for not buying theirbullshit. It's all
very weird, if you ask me. They've finally got all theENTITLEMENT they ever
wanted, and they want even more. Go figure... ---In
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <steve.sundur@...> wrote :
certifiable at this point?
if anyone even reads it.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <turquoiseb@...> wrote :
For some time now (over a year, and escalating after one particular person took
a powder from the forum and essentially told everyone here to fuck off and
die), the primary characteristic of the forum called Fairfield Life has IMO
been whining. A few TM TBs, deprived of their version of Saint Joan to fight
their battles for them against the invading hoard of infidels, tried to do the
same thing themselves, and with disastrous results.
Not being able to *stand* the fact that people who disagreed with them about
the importance of TM, Maharishi, and above all their over-corpulent egos could
express these thing freely here, they set about a non-stop snipe hunt in which
they tried to demonize them and make them go away. That exercise in pettiness
went so far that one of the constant heretic-attackers finally went over the
line and resorted to actual slander -- he encouraged people to call or write
officials in the home town of one poster he particularly hated, and tell them
that he was a child molestor. Rightfully busted on this, he ran off with his
tail between his legs and tried to form a new group, one in which supposedly
right-thinking, *really* spiritual people like himself could talk about
"spirituality" without being interrupted by horrible heretics like myself. It
took less than a month for him to throw the first person off of his new forum,
for the sin of revealing what he was up to back over on FFL, the forum he'd
sworn he would never visit again as long as I was here. Go figure. What a
fuckin' soap opera, right?
So anyway, a few of these folks left, and started their own forum, one on which
they can supposedly say anything they want about their so-called "peak"
experiences, without anyone pissing in their cyberpunchbowl. One would think
they'd be happy, and...uh...stay over there, where they claim things are so
much better.
But noooooooo. A hard-core few of them spend more time writing to Fairfield
Life than they do The_Leak, saying essentially the same thing over and over and
over: "We don't like it over here, because a few people don't treat us with the
respect we deserve when we talk about 'spiritual' topics. These people are BAD,
and should be made to go away, so we can 'share' our spiritual experiences
without fear of interruption or embarrassing demands for proof of our claims."
Blah-blah-blah. You know the whine...you've heard it now for quite some time.
My contention in this post is that the whining comes directly from how they
were taught to act and live by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. HE was the one who taught
these TM followers that the only safe way they could live in this world was to
clump together in groups. If you were doing Maharishi's "program" correctly,
you had to live in TM-only communities, reside in TM-approved houses, bounce on
your butts together several times a day, and participate in the sessions in
which you "share experiences" and get them voted "#1 experiences" or "#2
experiences" or whatever.
In those "sharing" sessions, there were always two sides to the "sharing." A
few people would have actual experiences to share, and if they were deemed #1
experiences, everybody would look at them in an envious way and inwardly go
"Woo!," and they'd actually get some attention. In the TMO, with its
we-only-have-one-leader-and-he's-the-only-one-there-will-ever-be-allowed-to-become-the-focus-of-attention
mentality, getting a little attention by talking about your "spiritual
experiences" in one of these sharing sessions was pretty much the only
attention you were ever going to get.
The other side of the "sharing experience" was personified by the much larger
vast majority of people who never had anything to share. THEY were there
because many of them had never really ever HAD a major spiritual experience,
and they needed to hear other people talk about *theirs* so as not to lose
hope. It was the same rationale as all the "TM research" -- even if you had
never had any experiences in decades of meditating that felt like the
enlightenment you were promised, you could still have hope if you heard other
people talking about *their* experiences or saw some chart that suggested they
were actually *having* experiences.
Now think about Fairfield Life. Same thing. Same dynamic.
Sure, when Rick started the forum, it was intended as a safe forum for people
who had gripes with the TMO to express them, and some of that has determined
the character and the nature of the forum ever since. But for a smaller number
of FFL participants, this was a place where they could come and act out the two
sides of the dome "sharing" experience in cyberspace.
Those who were hungry for attention could talk about their supposedly
"spiritual" experiences, and a few people would go "Woo" and they'd get some
attention. There is no need to name these people, because everyone here knows
exactly who they are.
Then there were the others, the much larger vast majority of TM TB FFL
participants, who came here hoping desperately to read about any experience
that could be construed as "spiritual." BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T HAVING THESE
EXPERIENCES.
They needed to get their "spiritual experience" fix passively -- second-hand --
by listening to *other people* talk about experiences they'd had, so they could
get inspired by them, and keep on keepin' on with their TM. And, of course, the
only *valid* experiences of this sort were the ones arrived at through the
practice of TM and the TMSP.
So this brings us to the present day, with most of the "I want attention" TM
TBs now having moved to The_Leak, and three others *ostensibly* having moved
there, but in reality spending more of their time here BITCHING than they do
there. And *what* are they bitching about? The everlasting whine is always the
same: "We don't feel *comfortable* sharing our spiritual experiences here,
because you don't treat us right. This is BAD of you. You should go away, or
Rick should *make* you go away."
I call bullshit.
I don't think ANY of them have ANY "spiritual experiences" to share. At least
not any that they've had in the last ten years. I think that spiritually
they're impotent, and that they resent that they can't come to FFL and feed off
the supposed spiritual experiences of other TMers, to convince themselves that
they're still part of the most specialist, most elitist, most importantest,
and most wonderfulest group of human beings ever to grace planet Earth.
They're PISSED OFF that the people on this forum who seem to be consistently
having the most spiritual experiences, and are willing to talk about them, are
*NOT* the TM TBs, but the heretics. This does not "compute" in their minds, and
it makes them crazy. So they come here and try to do *exactly* what they claim
has been done to them -- drive them away.
It ain't gonna work. Those of us who have experiences to talk about will
continue to talk about them here. If that pisses you off because many of these
experiences don't come from TM, tough titties. We ain't going away.
My message to these three whiners is simple: "Bring your OWN experiences to the
table and be willing to discuss them, or fuckin' go away yourselves."
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