For a Hindu it would be religious. For non- Hindus( from a Hindu
perspective) it would be CULTural. There is no conversion to
Hinduism. At best a Hindu would perceive it as *planting the seed*.
Now of course when a seed sprouts it doesn't become a full size tree
over night. So, there will always be a need for more harijans, and
sudras to evolve or work their way up the ladder in Hindu society
which could take tens of thousands of life times, a real hell on
earth. You really still wanna be a Hindu? Yep, teachers recite what
they are told to recite. Do as you are told to do. I agree, the TMO
is a cult. And a very vindictive cult.
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<mailto:[email protected]> [FairfieldLife]"
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*Sent:* Saturday, May 30, 2015 9:16 AM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] A request for the TM teachers reading
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/*Another fun verse you were all familiar with, first in its
Sanskrit transliteration, then in the "revised" translation of what
it means provided to teachers these days, and finally translated
using official vocabulary sheets provided to teachers trained on
earlier courses:
*/
*
*
*KARPURA-GAURAM KARUNA-VATARAM SAMSARA-SARAM BHUJAGENDRA HARAM
SADA VASANTAM HRIDAYA RAVINDE BHAVAM BHAVANI SAHITAM NAMAMI*
***Currently the TM movement translates it thusly: *
*White as camphor, kindness incarnate, the essence of creation
garlanded with BRAHMAN, ever dwelling in the lotus of my heart,
the creative impulse of cosmic life, to That, in the form of
GURU DEV, I bow down.*
*But a more accurate translation is: *
*White as camphor, the avatar of Karuna, god of Compassion,
adorned with the garland of the Serpent King, ever dwelling in
the lotus of my heart, to the Lord and Lady, Shiva and Shakti
together, to them I bow down.*
*This translation is based on the Movement's own vocabulary sheets,
supplied to TM teachers in training on TTC. Note that Guru Dev, the
Maharishi's teacher, isn't mentioned at all.*
*/
/*
*/Same question for the teachers -- you knew all this, and yet you
told people that TM wasn't religious. Can you provide an explanation
for why you did this other than, "I was in a cult, and so I just did
what they told me to do and said what they told me to say"?
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<mailto:[email protected]> [FairfieldLife]"
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*To:* FairfieldLife &! lt;[email protected]
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*Sent:* Saturday, May 30, 2015 3:45 PM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] A request for the TM teachers reading
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*/Since no one really responded to the issue I brought up in the
post titled "I think former TM teachers fear the C word because of
the D word," I'll try to put it a different way, in hopes that one
of you will be able to explain things to me and to others reading
this forum.
/*
*/
/*
*/See, here's the issue as I see it. Many of you TM teachers (or
former TM teachers) don't seem to like being referred to as
cultists, but you ACTED like cultists for many years, LYING to
literally every person you instructed. In the intro lectures you
gave to these people, you parroted what you had been told to say if
the subject of religion came up -- "TM is NOT a religi! on."
/*
*/
/*
*/What I'm wondering is HOW you could have said this when before you
instruct someone in TM, you have to perform a puja. You chant the
puja in Sanskrit, but you were clearly instructed on your TM Teacher
Training Course to "hold the English meaning of the words lively in
your mind" as you chanted the Sanskrit words. You were even *tested*
on your ability to do this before you became a teacher.
/*
*/
/*
*/So here's the thing...here you are in the puja room, chanting in
Sanskrit but with ! the following English-language meaning "lively
in your mind" the whole time:/*
*To Lord Narayana, to lotus-born Brahma the Creator, to Vasishtha, to SHAKTI
and his son, Parashara, to Vyasa, to Shukadeva, to the great GaudaPada, to
Govinda, ruler among yogis, from him to his disciple, Shri Shankaracharya, from
him to his disciples, Padma Pada and Hastamalaka, to him, Trotakacharya and
Vartika-Kara, to others, to the eternal tradition of our abode of the wisdom of
the Shrutis, Smritis and Purana, to the abode of compassion, to the personified
glory of the Lord, to Shankara, emancipator of the world, I bow down.
To Shankaracharya, the Emancipator, adored as Krishna and Badarayana, to the
two authors of the commentary on the Brahma Sutras, I bow down To both
expressions of the Divine, in Shankara, I bow down again and again At whose
door the whole galaxy of gods pray for perfection day and night Adorned with
immeasurable glory, preceptor of the whole world, having bowed to Him we gain
complete fulfillment.*
*/So what's up with this?/*
*/
/*
*/I mean, you were chanting words you *clearly knew the meaning of*,
saying that you were *bowing down* to quite a few Hindu deities, who
were either mentioned by name or by their common nicknames. You had
all of this bowing down to Hindu deities "lively in your mind" every
time you instructed someone.
/*
*/
/*
*/And yet the next ! time you gave a TM intro lecture, you looked
straight into the eyes of the people who asked you "Is TM
religious?" and you told them "No. Absolutely not. No way TM is
religious."
/*
*/
/*
*/Do you see my problem with this?/*
*/
/*
*/You KNEW that you were bowing down to Hindu gods. It was "lively
in your mind" during every puja. And yet in pretty much *every*
intro lecture you ever gave you said that TM was not in any way
religious.
/*
*/
/*
*/Please explain this to me.
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*/
/*
*/How can a rational person NOT consider you a cultist for doing this?/*
*/
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