For a Hindu it would be religious. For non- Hindus( from a Hindu
perspective) it would be CULTural. There is no conversion to Hinduism.
At best a Hindu would perceive it as *planting the seed*. Now of
course when a seed sprouts it doesn't become a full size tree over
night. So, there will always be a need for more harijans, and sudras
to evolve or work their way up the ladder in Hindu society which could
take tens of thousands of life times, a real hell on earth. You really
still wanna be a Hindu? Yep, teachers recite what they are told to
recite. Do as you are told to do. I agree, the TMO is a cult. And a
very vindictive cult.
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*From:* "TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
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*To:* "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
*Sent:* Saturday, May 30, 2015 9:16 AM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] A request for the TM teachers reading
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/*Another fun verse you were all familiar with, first in its Sanskrit
transliteration, then in the "revised" translation of what it means
provided to teachers these days, and finally translated using official
vocabulary sheets provided to teachers trained on earlier courses:
*/
*
*
*KARPURA-GAURAM KARUNA-VATARAM SAMSARA-SARAM BHUJAGENDRA HARAM
SADA VASANTAM HRIDAYA RAVINDE BHAVAM BHAVANI SAHITAM NAMAMI*
***Currently the TM movement translates it thusly: *
*White as camphor, kindness incarnate, the essence of creation
garlanded with BRAHMAN, ever dwelling in the lotus of my heart,
the creative impulse of cosmic life, to That, in the form of GURU
DEV, I bow down.*
*But a more accurate translation is: *
*White as camphor, the avatar of Karuna, god of Compassion,
adorned with the garland of the Serpent King, ever dwelling in the
lotus of my heart, to the Lord and Lady, Shiva and Shakti
together, to them I bow down.*
*This translation is based on the Movement's own vocabulary sheets,
supplied to TM teachers in training on TTC. Note that Guru Dev, the
Maharishi's teacher, isn't mentioned at all.*
*/
/*
*/Same question for the teachers -- you knew all this, and yet you
told people that TM wasn't religious. Can you provide an explanation
for why you did this other than, "I was in a cult, and so I just did
what they told me to do and said what they told me to say"?
/*
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*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] A request for the TM teachers reading
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*/Since no one really responded to the issue I brought up in the post
titled "I think former TM teachers fear the C word because of the D
word," I'll try to put it a different way, in hopes that one of you
will be able to explain things to me and to others reading this forum.
/*
*/
/*
*/See, here's the issue as I see it. Many of you TM teachers (or
former TM teachers) don't seem to like being referred to as cultists,
but you ACTED like cultists for many years, LYING to literally every
person you instructed. In the intro lectures you gave to these people,
you parroted what you had been told to say if the subject of religion
came up -- "TM is NOT a religi! on."
/*
*/
/*
*/What I'm wondering is HOW you could have said this when before you
instruct someone in TM, you have to perform a puja. You chant the puja
in Sanskrit, but you were clearly instructed on your TM Teacher
Training Course to "hold the English meaning of the words lively in
your mind" as you chanted the Sanskrit words. You were even *tested*
on your ability to do this before you became a teacher.
/*
*/
/*
*/So here's the thing...here you are in the puja room, chanting in
Sanskrit but with ! the following English-language meaning "lively in
your mind" the whole time:/*
*To Lord Narayana, to lotus-born Brahma the Creator, to Vasishtha, to SHAKTI
and his son, Parashara, to Vyasa, to Shukadeva, to the great GaudaPada, to
Govinda, ruler among yogis, from him to his disciple, Shri Shankaracharya, from
him to his disciples, Padma Pada and Hastamalaka, to him, Trotakacharya and
Vartika-Kara, to others, to the eternal tradition of our abode of the wisdom of
the Shrutis, Smritis and Purana, to the abode of compassion, to the personified
glory of the Lord, to Shankara, emancipator of the world, I bow down.
To Shankaracharya, the Emancipator, adored as Krishna and Badarayana, to the
two authors of the commentary on the Brahma Sutras, I bow down To both
expressions of the Divine, in Shankara, I bow down again and again At whose
door the whole galaxy of gods pray for perfection day and night Adorned with
immeasurable glory, preceptor of the whole world, having bowed to Him we gain
complete fulfillment.*
*/So what's up with this?/*
*/
/*
*/I mean, you were chanting words you *clearly knew the meaning of*,
saying that you were *bowing down* to quite a few Hindu deities, who
were either mentioned by name or by their common nicknames. You had
all of this bowing down to Hindu deities "lively in your mind" every
time you instructed someone.
/*
*/
/*
*/And yet the next ! time you gave a TM intro lecture, you looked
straight into the eyes of the people who asked you "Is TM religious?"
and you told them "No. Absolutely not. No way TM is religious."
/*
*/
/*
*/Do you see my problem with this?/*
*/
/*
*/You KNEW that you were bowing down to Hindu gods. It was "lively in
your mind" during every puja. And yet in pretty much *every* intro
lecture you ever gave you said that TM was not in any way religious.
/*
*/
/*
*/Please explain this to me.
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*/
/*
*/How can a rational person NOT consider you a cultist for doing this?/*
*/
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