Apparently you got kicked out of the TMO for not keeping the teaching pure. Or, maybe you sucked as a spiritual teacher. Or, maybe they just didn't like your face.
Maybe you got brainwashed into thinking that there was a "TM" and you were a celibate priest. Maybe you never even learned how meditate. Go figure. ---In [email protected], <noozguru@...> wrote : So far I haven't found a church for existentialism, have you? Non sequitur. Maybe Barry 1 is just a slow learner or a really dumb guy. At any rate you're going to have to convince me of your TMO status claims, otherwise you're just another impostor informant. Much to MJ's chagrin there is no such religion as Hinduism because it is a philosophy called Sanatana Dharma. Non sequitur. Some people are highly prone to suggestion. I mean if what the other Barry says is true, he preached Hinduism for a decade and then went over to another teacher and preached Hinduism for him for another decade. Now you can make a religion out of it but it was labeled a religion by the invading Arabs not the practitioners themselves. Non sequitur. Any excuse to cut off heads, I guess. Non sequitur. I walked away from TM and TM did not come after me. Cults often do come after you. But I certainly did see cult like behavior but many of us dismissed it. Teachers felt that teaching meditation was a good thing but started really questioning things after the siddhis were introduced. And after the AE courses was when we started seeing the self appointed authoritarians. And at that I witnessed some of those people eventually become disillusioned and walk away too. On 05/30/2015 08:05 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... mailto:mdixon.6569@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: For a Hindu it would be religious. For non- Hindus( from a Hindu perspective) it would be CULTural. There is no conversion to Hinduism. At best a Hindu would perceive it as *planting the seed*. Now of course when a seed sprouts it doesn't become a full size tree over night. So, there will always be a need for more harijans, and sudras to evolve or work their way up the ladder in Hindu society which could take tens of thousands of life times, a real hell on earth. You really still wanna be a Hindu? Yep, teachers recite what they are told to recite. Do as you are told to do. I agree, the TMO is a cult. And a very vindictive cult. From: "TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]" <[email protected]> mailto:[email protected] To: "[email protected]" mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]> mailto:[email protected] Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2015 9:16 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] A request for the TM teachers reading Fairfield Life Another fun verse you were all familiar with, first in its Sanskrit transliteration, then in the "revised" translation of what it means provided to teachers these days, and finally translated using official vocabulary sheets provided to teachers trained on earlier courses: KARPURA-GAURAM KARUNA-VATARAM SAMSARA-SARAM BHUJAGENDRA HARAM SADA VASANTAM HRIDAYA RAVINDE BHAVAM BHAVANI SAHITAM NAMAMI Currently the TM movement translates it thusly: White as camphor, kindness incarnate, the essence of creation garlanded with BRAHMAN, ever dwelling in the lotus of my heart, the creative impulse of cosmic life, to That, in the form of GURU DEV, I bow down. But a more accurate translation is: White as camphor, the avatar of Karuna, god of Compassion, adorned with the garland of the Serpent King, ever dwelling in the lotus of my heart, to the Lord and Lady, Shiva and Shakti together, to them I bow down. This translation is based on the Movement's own vocabulary sheets, supplied to TM teachers in training on TTC. Note that Guru Dev, the Maharishi's teacher, isn't mentioned at all. Same question for the teachers -- you knew all this, and yet you told people that TM wasn't religious. Can you provide an explanation for why you did this other than, "I was in a cult, and so I just did what they told me to do and said what they told me to say"? From: "TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]" <[email protected]> mailto:[email protected] To: FairfieldLife &! lt;[email protected] mailto:lt;[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2015 3:45 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] A request for the TM teachers reading Fairfield Life Since no one really responded to the issue I brought up in the post titled "I think former TM teachers fear the C word because of the D word," I'll try to put it a different way, in hopes that one of you will be able to explain things to me and to others reading this forum. See, here's the issue as I see it. Many of you TM teachers (or former TM teachers) don't seem to like being referred to as cultists, but you ACTED like cultists for many years, LYING to literally every person you instructed. In the intro lectures you gave to these people, you parroted what you had been told to say if the subject of religion came up -- "TM is NOT a religi! on." What I'm wondering is HOW you could have said this when before you instruct someone in TM, you have to perform a puja. You chant the puja in Sanskrit, but you were clearly instructed on your TM Teacher Training Course to "hold the English meaning of the words lively in your mind" as you chanted the Sanskrit words. You were even *tested* on your ability to do this before you became a teacher. So here's the thing...here you are in the puja room, chanting in Sanskrit but with ! the following English-language meaning "lively in your mind" the whole time: To Lord Narayana, to lotus-born Brahma the Creator, to Vasishtha, to SHAKTI and his son, Parashara, to Vyasa, to Shukadeva, to the great GaudaPada, to Govinda, ruler among yogis, from him to his disciple, Shri Shankaracharya, from him to his disciples, Padma Pada and Hastamalaka, to him, Trotakacharya and Vartika-Kara, to others, to the eternal tradition of our abode of the wisdom of the Shrutis, Smritis and Purana, to the abode of compassion, to the personified glory of the Lord, to Shankara, emancipator of the world, I bow down. To Shankaracharya, the Emancipator, adored as Krishna and Badarayana, to the two authors of the commentary on the Brahma Sutras, I bow down To both expressions of the Divine, in Shankara, I bow down again and again At whose door the whole galaxy of gods pray for perfection day and night Adorned with immeasurable glory, preceptor of the whole world, having bowed to Him we gain complete fulfillment. So what's up with this? I mean, you were chanting words you *clearly knew the meaning of*, saying that you were *bowing down* to quite a few Hindu deities, who were either mentioned by name or by their common nicknames. You had all of this bowing down to Hindu deities "lively in your mind" every time you instructed someone. And yet the next ! time you gave a TM intro lecture, you looked straight into the eyes of the people who asked you "Is TM religious?" and you told them "No. Absolutely not. No way TM is religious." Do you see my problem with this? You KNEW that you were bowing down to Hindu gods. It was "lively in your mind" during every puja. And yet in pretty much *every* intro lecture you ever gave you said that TM was not in any way religious. Please explain this to me. How can a rational person NOT consider you a cultist for doing this?
