--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > <snip> > > Do teachers and guides create the game by first disclosing "you are > > bound and ignorant"? And then further the game by saying "and here > > is the path to get out of boundaries and ignorance" ? > > I suspect it varies with the individual. I > had the sense of being "bound" (although I > didn't call it that) long before I ever > encountered any teaching about how to become > unbound. > > <snip> > > Your world view appears to include the oblivious (unaware of the > > existence of boundaries) , seekers (aware of boundaries and seeking > > to escape them) and the liberated (aware that boundaries do not > > exist.) > > > > It is still not clear why and how the first and third are different? > > Are you saying one needs to be aware of a state of delusion prior to > > liberation in order to be liberated? > > Not necessarily. Sometimes it happens > spontaneously, coming as a big surprise. > > > No that doesn't make much sense in that if boundaries never existed, > > ignorance never existed. > > "Reality is different in different states of > consciousness."
If that fits your story, then fine. It doesn't make it a universal truth. (Is there ushc a thing?) > The reality that boundaries > never existed is specific to the "liberated" > state of consciousness. And the lack of recognition of any boundaries belong many peoples awareness that have not bought in to a "bondage / ignorance" story.a > The reality of those > who are not yet liberated is that boundaries > do exist. If they have bought into a bondage story. > > Seems to be the "seekers" trap. > > > > Why can't someone simply be happy where they are now, without first > > having to imagine unreal boundaries, and unreal ignorance of the > > fact that the boundaries and ignorance are unreal? > > Because to those who are not yet liberated, as > noted, the boundaries are very real indeed. To some I am sure they are. A self-recognition of boundaries -- whether real or not -- that is their perception. But there is a thrid group that your story doesn't seem to recognize: those that don't experience boundaries and have not bought into a bondage game or story. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
