Agreed, but the secular Muslims usually end up getting bullied by the
*righteous* ones or be considered Apostate with a death sentence. Where ever
Islam has been spread, it starts with *peace loving* gentile souls just wanting
to be left alone in their small minority. Once that minority gets stronger, the
demands start coming and if the demands are not met, the violence comes. This
is how Islam has always spread and how it is working in Europe today. Merkel
said she is willing to accept 500,000 Syrian refugees a year. Why? The German
birth rate is so low, they need a new work force to keep their economy up to
speed or it will crash. There is also thought to be some remaining guilt left
over from the Nazis and how they treated people. The irony is, the ones they
bring now, Syrian Muslims, were basically allies of the Nazis,who hated Jews as
much as Hitler!
From: "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]"
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2015 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Who Would Have Predicted?
We live in the 21st century. If there are Muslims who want us to change
to Sharia law they can be shown the door. There are many Muslims who could
give a shit about Sharia law and are only Muslim by birth or circumstance.
On 09/09/2015 03:38 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
When I speak of cultural differences, I'm not talking about food or
dress. I'm speaking about how we treat or accept others. Example: Muslims are
far less tolerant of the rights women take for granted in the west. Wife
beating is considered the norm over there, honor killings, blaspheming their
religion can cause violent reaction,etc., they tend to bring those behaviors
and attitudes with them.The taxi reference was about Drivers refusing riders
that had bought alcohol in gift and duty free shops and taking it home, sober.
Taxi drivers here, I don't know about Canada, are often called to take people
home from bars or parties in order to keep them from driving and causing
accidents. It's a job requirement, for public safety. Many expect our society
to accommodate them on issues of this nature when it wouldn't be acceptable by
our own. Should Muslim businesses be allowed to refuse service to Gays,
Lesbians or transgenders? If so, why not Christians or Jews?More and more
Muslims are demanding that we accept Sharia law, which would definitely allow
this behavior. Ready for polygamy? Can they accept us for who we are or do
they expect us to accept them and live by their cultural standards. They come
here, we didn't go there.
From: "awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2015 10:41 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Who Would Have Predicted?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :
I don't think disassociating one's self from fellow countrymen or culture is
important either, when adopting a new country. What concerns me is, are
they(immigrants),willing to accept the customs and laws of their adoptive
country. An example would be in some cultures, mainly eastern or middle
eastern, segregation of the sexes is the norm. However, it is thought to be
sexist in another culture. Some can accept these differences and others can't
or don't want to. Recently, in the name of religious freedom, we've had issues
of people thinking they can obey the laws that they choose. The one in the
news the most lately, has been the woman in Kentucky that doesn't want to issue
marriage licenses to gay people because she thinks it violates her religion.
Many may agree, to a point, but most think she should obey the law. She will
eventually give in or take a different job. However, the incidents we don't
hear that much about are Muslims that refuse to sell/ handle pork or alcohol
and demand accommodation for that in their jobs due to *freedom of religion*.
Muslim taxi drivers don't want to accept riders that either carry alcohol
(unopened) or may be leaving a bar intoxicated. The question is, how much of an
immigrant's former culture do we have to accept and at what inconvenience to
our own culture an! d lifestyle. These are the kinds of conflicts that I'm
referring to and they( differing issues) are much more numerous and how much
resentment does it cause on either part? It's easy working these things out on
an individual level but when entire cultures are involved, mine vs theirs,
friction begins to build. I'm not against immigration, just think it should be
done with caution and selectively. An immigrant to any country should be able
to speak their own language, eat their own food, observe their own customs in
their own homes but when in Rome( public).... And if that is unacceptable,
don't come.
I think some of your thinking is based a little in fear but some is also
practically based. Adopting certain traditions from other, incoming cultures
has been happening constantly. Think of the new foods we eat now that were
virtually unobtainable in North America just a few decades ago, the ethnic
foods i.e. sushi. Music, art, theater have all benefited from the influx of
new ideas, different life experiences of those coming to live on foreign soil.
Fashion, dress habits - our lives are always being touched by a variety of
influences, especially now with the internet and vast reaches of the media not
to mention the ebb and flow of various ethnicities migrating around the globe.
As far as taxi drivers, to take one example, I don't think they are (no
matter what their ethnic background) required to take a ride! that they deem
is either a threat or likely to result in problems and this includes extremely
inebriated passengers. I don't think any business is required by law -airlines,
restaurants public transit - to allow a person deemed too inebriated to be
given access to a premises. There has been a recent kerfuffle here in Canada
about allowing RCMP officers who are Sikh to wear turbans or not, for example.
Why not allow this? So that they can don the silly Mountie hat instead? Anyway,
whether you like it or not your life and my life are being altered by the
constant comings and goings of different individuals and different cultures
every single day. Until the day you are forced, at knifepoint, to attend a
mosque and swear fealty to Allah I don't think you need to sweat it.
From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2015 8:53 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Who Would Have Predicted?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :
Bingo! I've always been interested in learning about other cultures and
enjoying what they have to offer, but there's a saying, "there's no place like
home". The culture/religion a person is born into is an aspect of their
dharma, it is an important part of their evolution. We feel comfortable, less
stress, when we move about our daily lives in tune with others like us. What
does it do to a person's evolution when he is suddenly put into, or even
forced, into a foreign culture that he's not familiar with? Maharishi always
used to say, "when in Rome..." but what if you're not comfortable doing as the
locals do. Do you insist that they conform to you because you have "your
rights"? Is it their obligation to make you feel "normal"? I know it's a
cliche but oil and water don't mix. I think assimilation is an important
aspect of successful "transplanting" into a knew culture.
I don't know if you have ever lived anywhere except the US, Mike and if you
have if any of those places spoke other languages than English but I have. I
will be the first to tell you that one tends to stick with others who speak
your language and who moved from the same country you did. I was moved all
over the place growing up and while I didn't live anywhere exotic I was moved
to Germany as a nine year old child. I didn't speak a word of German when I
initially arrived there and although I went to an International school where
there were students from literally all over the world attending we all spoke
English and our curriculum was pretty much North American based in terms of
subjects taught and format observed. While I learned a decent/working level of
the language over the three years we lived there I still played with my
English-speaking friends - three other families who happened to have been from
the US living on our short street so I can vouch that when you are in a
foreign country one has a tendency to seek out and find the company of those
who at least speak in a tongue you can readily understand. On the other hand,
that is not to say we didn't take in all the rest of the culture including the
food, the local townspeople and all the rest of it. Being raised Catholic we
attended the local Catholic church just at Sikhs might search out the local
Sikh temple in another country and congregate there. So, while I didn't reject
my new home I found myself also embracing what I had known from my short life
(9 years) in the US. To do so does not indicate a desire not to assimilate
necessarily and while Germany today is very different from the Germany in 196!
6 it felt quite different to me as a young child then including the fact the
German people hated the Americans and there were still bombed out buildings in
evidence and never ending tall cranes dotting the skyline in the
reconstruction of so much devastation still evident after WWII.
I guess my point is this: Adopting another language or disassociating
yourself from your fellow countrymen in a foreign land is not necessarily
mandatory in one's adoption of that new country's characteristics and ways.
There will always be a combination of embracing the old and coming to
incorporate and assimilate the new. Because of my being moved around so much in
my life I don't really know who I am or what country I associate with. I do
feel white and I do feel privileged as in a first world resident but beyond
that I have zero ability to feel nationalistic or patriotic.
From: feste37 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 8:30 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Who Would Have Predicted?
Cultural diversity is overvalued, in my opinion. The common denominator
of the societies that score highest on measures of happiness are that they
are culturally homogeneous. These are often small countries, like Denmark and
Iceland. Multiculturalism just doesn't work very well.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <awoelflebater@...> wrote :
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote :
There is potential for problems in Europe with a large influx of Muslim
refugees. Muslims are not good at assimilating. Some European countries
(France for example) now have considerable numbers of second- and
third-generation Muslim immigrants who are outside the mainstream of society
and disaffected. They do not fit in. They are unwilling to adopt the values of
liberal, secular Western culture. They are also prone to violence and become
easy recruits for radical Islamic jihadi groups that wish to destroy the West
and impose their own values on us.
I can't take your word for this. I would have to do some extensive reading
to come to understand what is true and what is false in what you say. There are
always problems with any influx of anybody. There are problems when too many
family members get together for a holiday, for pete's sake. I feel cultural
diversity is healthy and desirable. I don't want a white bread culture and
although I don't welcome violence from anyone (God knows the US has more than
its share between its current residents already) I can not see how anyone
could possibly predict how the Syrian families and individuals will enhance
or detract from a country before they even have a chance to unpack the bags
they don't possess.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <awoelflebater@...> wrote :
It's a funny old world, really. Germany gets some pretty tough raps for
having a pretty virulent neo-Nazi movement as well as having had a robust
population of real Nazis back in the middle of the last century but look at
the country now. It seems this country is now showing itself to be, perhaps,
the most welcoming and open to the current refugee crisis from Syria. I love to
see it. There is not a country on the planet that doesn't have enough space or
potential to take in thousands of these displaced hu! man beings. If you look
at the birth rate in any given country, the amount of humans that are added
to any country's population in one single day, you will note that it exceeds
any number that would correspond to incoming refugees. The difference:
strangers vs family or fellow countrymen. I personally think Canada is a great
place for at least a quarter of a million of these fleeing people. God knows
we have the space and we have the resources and Canadians are pretty decent
folk, generally speaking.
http://abcnews.go.com/International/refugee-crisis-germans-welcoming/story?id=33589179
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