---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <noozguru@...> wrote :
Being that I am a computer programmer I note how newborns are like robots taking things in as a way of self-programming. So the truth may be stranger than fiction or religion. ;-) I rather think robots are more like humans than babies are like robots. On 09/19/2015 12:28 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... mailto:mdixon.6569@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: As Judy said earlier, don't force your religion on me! No, I appreciate your views but the reason I gave below is non religious. The founding fathers recognized Life as an Unalienable, fundamental right. Most views on abortion were formed before there was much common understanding about DNA. The fetus was described to the public as a *lump* of tissue, devoid of individuality, almost like a cancer. It was depersonalized to make it easier to *get rid of* even the term *fetus* has that affect, so as not to leave any emotional scars for the aborting mother. But science has projected the understanding of the life of the fetus as a unique human being, complete within it's self with more understanding of DNA. Maharishi used to speak of holding a great banyan tree in the palm of your hand. Just pick up a tiny seed. All of it's greatness and potential lies within. Every person has personal weakness's, that' s why we have laws. From: "Bhairitu noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Debate from Hell' I take the "eastern" view that until the child takes their first breathe they are nothing but an growth on the woman. There's really no soul there because no "shakti" which is the basis of consciousness has not entered the vessel. The thing about the religious dummies is they want to stop abortion but are unwilling to adopt kids from mothers who can't take care of them. They are a bunch of stupid hypocrites. And just wait until one of their daughters gets raped by a felon to see how fast she gets shuffled off to have an abortion On 09/19/2015 11:33 AM, Mike Dixon mailto:mdixon.6569@...mdixon.6569@... mailto:mdixon.6569@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Actually,I believe I was giving a non religious explanation against abortion. The very founding documents, our nation are built upon, recognizes our unalienable(can not be denied) rights to *Life* liberty and the pursuit of happiness. You can't have liberty or happiness without Life. These rights are attributed to an All Mighty Creator because if such a thing existed, who is anyone to deny them? The very same person that wrote those words also wrote about the concept of a separation of Church and state. So, they are separate issues. The basic human rights recognized by the government are not religion based. From: "olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife]" mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Debate from Hell' Thiswhole abortion "debate" seems like such a set up. Why proclaim that due to religious principles, abortion is murder, or that gay marriage is sin, and then live in the USA? I am not suggesting such believers should leave, though it seems like an awful lot of heartache to go through, to insist on a religious truth so strenuously, that to have the opposite practiced by some, becomes a constant thorn in the believer's side. Who wants to live like that? It seems like a set up, designed to cause the believers additional pain, and have them become co-dependent on such ideas, and the organizations that publicize them. Life is tough enough, imo. Andthe issue is NOT that the Christians cannot live by their beliefs. No one is insisting *they* get abortions or participate in gay marriage. However, they and the radical pastors that preach to them have determined that both of these issues are somehow unholy, and their very practice is an abomination against God. This in no way begins to validate the freedom of each of us to live our lives as we see fit. Religious barriers, no matter how well intentioned, are better practiced personally, vs. imposed on anyone else. I also see a lot more commonality between the fundamentalists of any religion, be they Christians or Muslims, than any side is willing to admit. I do agree that there is a natural law in back of all of this, which we are all personally held to, and responsible for. However, each of us has to make that judgment of ourselves independently. No one can do this for us, or impose it on us, no matter how convinced of their truths they may be. ---In mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.comfairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:mdixon.6569@...<mdixon.6569@...> mailto:mdixon.6569@... wrote : We hold these truths to be self evident... certain unalienable Rights,among these are LIFE! Unalienable is defined as, *can not be denied*. Without the most fundamental right of life, no other rights matter. When does life begin? Theologically, that is open to discussion. Biologically, it begins when Conjoined DNA begins to divide. It is the very beginning of life, it's self.That DNA is not the mother's, it's not the father's, it is the unique DNA of separate human being with all of it's potential from beginning to end. It has a right that can not be denied. Socially and theologically speaking, that unalienable right to life is considered sacred as long as it is innocent. Violate specific laws of society and that sacred value can be forfeited by the law breaker, it's his conscious decision. But never was it intended to to be denied on a basis of someone else's circumstances/ convenience. Do we really want to go down that road? Hitler did, as did many other tyrants and they have been traditionally labeled as EVIL, even Anti-Christ. I speak in biological terms of life because we value our society in secular terms and spiritual values are not considered valid anymore because certain people don't want other's religions imposed upon them.. From: mailto:emily.mae50@...[FairfieldLife]"emily.mae50@...[FairfieldLife]"; mailto:emily.mae50@...[FairfieldLife] <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.comfairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 1:44 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Debate from Hell' Tome, black and white thinking takes on the cloak of "casual, indifferent, etc.", or "blasé," if you will. The remark "Ohshit! I missed my period! I'm really *f"ed* now!" seemed off the cuff and appeared to indicate a prejudiced and surficial understanding of the issue...."blasé." Curiously,Mike, do you believe in the soul? Do you believe in the eternal soul? Do you believe that the soul dies along with a potential life that was aborted by the mother, a potential life that could not survive independently at 6 weeks and that even nature aborts naturally at times (called miscarriages). Do you believe that it could be possible that if there is a soul, that the soul may "live" to incarnate in a different host/mother? Just food for thought. ---In mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.comfairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:mdixon.6569@...<mdixon.6569@...> mailto:mdixon.6569@... wrote : I draw the line with *murder* as one human willfully killing another innocent human. There's manslaughter, accidents etc.Then there is killing for food.I can admire one who observes ahimsa as going above and beyond the call of duty as a penance. From: mailto:awoelflebater@...[FairfieldLife]"awoelflebater@...[FairfieldLife]"; mailto:awoelflebater@...[FairfieldLife] mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.comfairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 12:15 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Debate from Hell' ---In mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.comfairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:mdixon.6569@...<mdixon.6569@...> mailto:mdixon.6569@... wrote : "Myblase attitudes", did I get that right? How can anything be more blase than to sweep away and destroy an innocent human life because you're not ready to be responsible for*it* yet? It's freaking murder! A women's right to murder? The Supreme Court will wake up one day, just as they did when they ruled one human can not own another or that Slaves (Message over 64 KB, truncated)
