What an honor!
From: feste37 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 10:46 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Debate from Hell'
Wow! That means I've known a serial killer for over 30 years and I never
even realized it! And she seems such a nice woman . . .
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :
I know! Sounds horrible doesn't it? What's worse, the *label* or the *act* that
defines the label? You would think that most women would feel remorse or regret
at having done this and that is why we compassionately don't use that label.But
three? Maybe a pregnancy would have endangered her life.
From: feste37 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 8:25 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Debate from Hell'
I know a woman who had several abortions. Using Mike's language, she would be
a triple murderess. Doesn't sound quite right.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <olliesedwuz@...> wrote :
Let's talk about this term, "murder", wrt an abortion. I know the radical
preachers have seized on this term as a graphic and ugly description of
abortion. But, have any of them known a murder victim? Someone who had a full
life and a circle of friends and family, those that loved them, who would never
see them again? Hard core memories of this person remain, their smile, their
belongings, the many activities shared, their pictures in the high school
yearbook. I lost two friends that way in high school, both young women, one was
hitchhiking, and the other's car broke down.
And does anyone think about the actual mindset of a murderer? Aside from
killings done in the heat of the moment, murderers are violent thugs and
predators who deliberately enjoy inflicting pain on others - As evil as it
gets.
To call abortion "murder" is over the top hyperbole, and those radical
preachers spreading such nonsense should, if they can see over their massively
inflated egos, be ashamed of themselves. Abortion is not murder, and it never
has been. To equate it this way simply tells me that the ones raising this
issue are either incredibly naive and thoughtless, or far more interested in
creating conflict, than resolution. Doesn't sound Christ-like to me -
Carelessly equating abortion with "murder" is more like creating a political
wedge issue, to rally the flock.
Pardon my cynical view of the radical preachers who rally their followers
around the abortion issue, though it seems far easier for these men to gang up
on women thinking of terminating their pregnancy, than it does to tackle the
real problems of the world, their families, and within themselves.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :
About 53 million abortions since Row v Wade.About 300,000 last year. Hitler
murdered 6 million innocent lives alone in a 5-6 yer period. Stalin murdered
about 20 million, Mao about fifty million. We've got them beat!
From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 8:50 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Debate from Hell'
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :
I guess it depends on your definition of *judge*. Do I recognize poor
choices?Is it from poor up bringing or low intelligence.-or is it something
else. Does that person learn from their mistakes or do they keep repeating the
same mistake over and over. Do they ever figure out that they are making
mistakes and , poor choices. Do they feel any responsibility for their choices?
Do they even care? Do they feel entitled to make mistakes without consequences?
Some people learn things the easy way, others the hard way. How much empathy,
compassion and understanding is expected of me? For how long and to what
degree? Are they taking advantage of my good will? If it's their nature to
learn things the hard way, is my help actually retarding their learning
process? Some people are real victims of circumstances through no fault of
their own. They didn't make poor choices but shit happened. Maybe their
husband died or just left them or became totally disabled. Aren't they more
deserving of my empathy and compassion than someone that never grew up? When I
was younger, out of wedlock births were relatively low. Today, I think it is
over or at least close to half. Something is dreadfully wrong. When it comes to
the woman that has the abortion, I am fully aware that she is probably confused
and frightened of her future and doesn't know what to do and ends up taking
the remedy with the quickest results. I feel terribly sorry for her because I
don't think she really and fully understands what she has just done. Yes,
she'll always remember it and the anguish. But she was talked into it and told
it was the best thing to do. This is what the Beast does. What is the Beast,
it's the system!
Overview:
Quick Stats
• Half of pregnancies among American women are unintended, and about four in 10
of these end in abortion.[1]• About half of American women will have an
unintended pregnancy, [2] and nearly 3 in 10 will have an abortion, by age
45.[3]• The overall U.S. unintended pregnancy rate increased slightly between
1994 and 2008, but unintended pregnancy increased 55% among poor women, while
decreasing 24% among higher-income women.[1,6]• Overall, the abortion rate
decreased 8% between 2000 and 2008, but abortion increased 18% among poor
women, while decreasing 28% among higher-income women.[3]• Some 1.06 million
abortions were performed in 2011, down from 1.21 million abortions in 2008, a
decline of 13%.[4]• The number of U.S. abortion providers declined 4% between
2008 (1,793) and 2011 (1,720). The number of clinics providing abortion
services declined 1%, from 851 to 839. Eighty-nine percent of all U.S. counties
lacked an abortion clinic in 2011; 38% of women live in those counties.[4]•
Nine in 10 abortions occur in the first 12 weeks of pregnancy.[5]• A broad
cross section of U.S. women have abortions:[3]
- 58% are in their 20s;
- 61% have one or more children;
- 56% are unmarried and not cohabiting;
- 69% are economically disadvantaged; and
- 73% report a religious affiliation.
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