A better option is, don't start a family until *you* can provide a complete and
adequate living for all of those that *you* are responsible for. That usually
starts with good planning along with a higher education and/or learned skill.
If people ever developed the attitude that nobody owes them anything, everybody
would be better off and a lot of problems could be prevented in the first
place. Hayam Dhukam Anagatam. Avoid the suffering before it comes! If you are
prepared to go through life depending on charity to get by, then you should to
be prepared for the worst and hope for the better. Maharishi used to say
*Deserve then desire*.BTW, that was supposed to be frying *fries* not *fires*.
From: "emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2015 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Just For the Record
Not sure what "fry fires" refers to, but it is true that a single parent
who is the exclusive provider, making $15/hr, cannot afford the cost of
daycare. This is why support networks are required—education and
opportunity—for the good of the all.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :
Well, actually they are a living wage, but just barely for themselves.
Definitely not meant to raise a family on. Today, someone wants to fry fires
eight hours a day and raise three or four kids without a second income. Their
income alone, isn't enough to pay day care for one or two kids.
From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2015 11:52 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Just For the Record
It Was Always Supposed To Be A Living Wage
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minimum wage was never supposed to be a living wage is completely
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :
Geee Emily, neither. These jobs have traditionally been considered entry level
jobs, where people go to learn skills and get job experience, so they can build
a resume and move on to bigger and better things. They were never intended to
be a primary source of income to support a family, but maybe a secondary
supplemental income. If someone sees flipping burgers as a carrier, there's
something seriously wrong with them and maybe counseling might awaken them to
seek something better. You set $15 an hour as a minimum wage, and you'll have
Liberal arts graduates taking those jobs in a heart beat. What's left for the
person that couldn't even finish high school? Dealing drugs? Maybe it would be
better for society, in general, if we had a little more faith in people and
their natural abilities and expect better of them, not settling for a bare
minimum and owing them more for less.< My *beef* with MickeyD's? I don't
frequent them as much as Ann might suggest because my personal experience is
that there is a strong tendency to get the order wrong. Why? I don't know.
Maybe they don't speak or read English well enough in some cases or maybe
they're young and immature,not focused or paying attention. I've never been
rewarded for poor job performance with a raise but have been promoted for
excellent performance. Sorry to say, but my empathy in this matter is reserved
for the truly handicapped or those that want to do more and are willing to
prove it, not those that want more to just get by.
From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2015 1:04 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Just For the Record
Are you prejudiced towards fast food workers in general or just McDonald's
employees? What are your assumptions about people who work at MickeyD's?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :
If you're going to pay fifteen an hour , you have a right to expect more from
your employee, probably more than many average McDonalds employee are capable
of giving. Might require some *focused* attention. Of course, if you are more
efficient and accomplishing more, you'll need fewer workers to assist you.
Which means fewer jobs. A higher wage may mean more for you but it also means
more from you.If someone complains about their eight dollar an hour job now,
wait till they have a fifteen dollar an hour job.
From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, October 3, 2015 11:16 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Just For the Record
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :
LOL, $15 an hour and they can't remember if you ordered an egg McMuffin or a
sausage McMuffin.
So, you apparently frequent Mcdonalds. Then you should be willing to pay the
labor a barely living wage for your cheap meal. Or maybe that cheap meal will
cost a bit more 'cause the fast food outlet will have to pay their employees
more. That could be a hardship for you, Mike.
From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, October 3, 2015 10:28 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Just For the Record
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <noozguru@...> wrote :
On 10/03/2015 08:01 PM,awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,<steve.sundur@...> wrote :
I really don't think this is the case.
Most gunowners, I mean the vast majority, keep them at homefor protection.
Conceal andcarry permits are pretty rare.
When you thinkabout it though, when has society not been in roughshape?
I guess thesemass shootings are a new development, so perhapsthat is thecase.
What Iam saying, Steve, is that the apparent runawaytrain of gun ownership and
lethal gun use onfellow human beings seems to be tied to the stateof our
society where absurdly rich existgeographically within spitting distance of
thosewho can't afford a decent meal (I was listening toNPR tonight driving home
from work and there wasan interview where they were talking about thewealthy in
Manhattan whose net income per yearwas, on average, 120K and just a 25 minute
commuteaway in the Bronx were folks who made, on average$20K per annum). This
creates a problem. Thiscreates the potential for violence. This can makepeople
crazy with resentment, with need and thenplace a gun in their hands and all
bets are off.Threatening becomes easy. Killing becomes morelikely than not
killing.
Perhaps then we need a maximum wage if we're going to have a minimumwage. For
about the last 25 years it's been "see how much money youcan accumulate. He
with the most bucks wins."
Maybe, but in our current system (capitalism) that might be a bit hard to
implement. On the other hand, I hear in America some politicians are gunning
for a $15/hr minimum wage. Good.
Sowhen you say "the vast majority keep them at homefor protection." then you
agree with what my pointwas! This is what I'm saying. Too many feel theyneed
protection from the threat from their fellowcitizens, their (geographically
speaking)neighbors, for crying out loud! And why would thisbe? I think there
are a multitude of reasons butthe disparity in economic conditions
betweenAmericans is one of them, for sure.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,<awoelflebater@...> wrote :
But, suchhigh profile mass shootings are bound tocreate media hyper ventilation
and theresulting outrage and lamenting iscontinuously ignited by these
relativelycommon occurrences in schools, movietheaters and elsewhere. It is a
subjectthat deserves attention because it alsoindicates something deeper - is
abarometer for other social diseaserampant in (in this case) the US. Gunsseem
to accompany fear and rage andmental illness but not necessarily inall cases
when their use is against aneighbor, a classroom, an employer. Theneed to own
guns, to have them handyat all times, is an indicator or asociety in rough
shape. When you can't feel safe unlessyou have a gun in your possession
itpoints to economic reasons as well.Drug addiction, poverty, lack ofresources
can lead citizens to assumethey can take what they need at thepoint of a gun,
for example. Whole cityblocks and blocks of substandard livingconditions or
millions of peoplescraping by all over America aretestimony to the sorry state
of oursociety. Even the vehemence with whichgun lovers defend their (and by
defaulteveryone's) right to own and carry a gunis based in fear and a distorted
ideathat to change the Constitution withregard to gun ownership rights
wouldsomehow be un-American or evensacrilegious. This whole gun issuereveals
far more than just how peoplefeel about arms.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,<awoelflebater@...> wrote :
More than 10,000 Americans arekilled every year by gun violence. Bycontrast, so
few Americans have beenkilled by terrorist attacks since 9/11that when you
chart the two together,the terrorism death count approximateszero for every
year except 2001. Thiscomparison, if anything, understatesthe gap: Far more
Americans die everyyear from (easilypreventable) gun suicides thangun
homicides.The point Obama is making isclear: We spend huge amounts of
moneyevery year fighting terrorism, yet areunwilling, at the national level,
totake even minor steps (like requiringbackground checks on all gun
salesnationally) to stop gun violence.
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