If a big business, capitalist, schmuck can't make a reasonable return on his
investment by producing a product that is easily affordable here, for the
general public to buy, he goes elsewhere that he can do it. That *schmuck*
risks his money, his investment, to make money, not to be a charity and produce
jobs for others at the risk of losing his shirt.It's a symbiotic relationship
between business owner and worker.
From: "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]"
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2015 1:51 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Planets support Hillary!
FYI Mike, "we" did not chase the jobs overseas. Your vaunted capitalist
schmuck big business owners did. Yeah, labor is cheaper overseas because
people are treated like serfs. I thought we were over that mindset a long time
ago.
Now, some of this started because our educational system was lacking. Back in
the mid-1990s I was part of a consortium between Silicon Valley and Hollywood.
The latter was having problems hiring US workers to do animation and CGI. They
saw the problem that US colleges weren't graduating anyone who knew those
fields. Warner Brothers was only able to find two candidates in the US in one
year. They were even smart about doing it because they hired a guy who had
taught computer 3D graphics to scour the landscape. FOX had to outsource The
Simpsons animation to Korea sometimes with disastrously hilarious results.
I laughed to myself because in the 1980s I headed a computer club and knew the
most high school and college art teachers were computer phobic. Fat chance
they would be able to teach these things. That is until they learned they
might lose their jobs. The actual solution was NOT to hire artists who find
CGI work boring but draftsmen used to programs like AutoCAD.
We hired some Indian workers but only ones who had the kind of experience we
were looking for which at the time was rare. And we had some former Soviet
Block folks too. In the Soviet system they were tested at a young age to see
where their strengths lie and trained in those areas. Hence a lot of your
graphics you have on your computer today were developed by former Soviet block
immigrants who knew math very, very well and how to create some tricks with
algorithms. This while US colleges were still teaching comp sci folks to
program in Fortran and worse yet Pascal when we needed C++ programmers for
Windows.
Your vision would make the US look like polluted Bombay in the mid-1990s.
On 10/24/2015 11:25 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
Dude, we've driven a large portion of our better jobs overseas.
Manufacturing is far cheaper overseas.Companies don't have to deal with unions,
Obamacare , OSHA, EPA and any other costly regulation, including, permits,
litigation and law suits and taxation at exorbitant rates overseas.Due to the
cost of doing business in the US , it's far cheaper to go over seas and
manufacture and ship it back and be able to sell a product at a rate most
people can afford to pay.
That's why we don't have *enough* jobs. In order to create our own *worker's
paradise* we chased the jobs out of here.
From: "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]"
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2015 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Planets support Hillary!
Wow Mike, break your Enter key again? Wall of words posts don't get
read.
Your ideology is stuck in the 1980s ... of mainland China.
I've worked in the tech sector for years and still do a bit of part time
contract work. I know lots of well educated, well experienced people who
cannot find work because they are considered TOO OLD! Yet the dummies who
lucked out and have WAY TOO MUCH MONEY prefer to either 1) hire young kids with
only theoretical college knowledge or 2) scream there are not enough H1B Visas
so they can hire cheap labor from abroad who most also have theoretical
knowledge. It's no wonder these tech companies come and go as they produce
crap products.
The simple reality is there are too few jobs. And there are too few jobs
because there is less that needs to be done. The solution is one you hate but
being implemented in other countries and was even pushed by non-other than the
Nixon administration in the early 1970s: a guaranteed basic income.
But it won't happen in Amerika. Instead things will get more and more out of
whack until the people have had enough and burn the place to the ground so we
can start over again.
On 10/24/2015 07:56 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
Victim mentality! It's not my fault, it's somebody else's fault! It's the
systems fault! But never mine! The 4-5% unemployment you refer to is supposed
to account for those in between jobs,those that have quit or been fired or
returning to school or job training to increase their skills to get a better
job. We have 20-30 million people that illegally immigrated to take jobs,
undercutting themselves and citizens thus driving down wages that could be paid
to citizens, causing more dependence on social programs. But hey, they're
cheap labor, they'd make great victims to vote for our party and they pay SS at
their jobs that they can't receive(unless they vote for our party to remedy)
thus bailing out the decline of SS contributions.< If you live in the United
States, are able bodied and relatively sound mind and you are poor, more than
likely, it is your own fault, due to poor choices you have made in life. Maybe
you dropped out of school too early, got pregnant, joined a gang, got involved
in drugs, had a generally shitty attitude or appearance that no employer wants
to put up with, went to jail or prison for criminal activity, thus nobody
wants to hire. Maybe your just fucking lazy, spoiled, never learned personal
responsibility and don't feel you could take care of yourself. Maybe you
dropped out of society so you could seek *enlightenment*or thought reading
palms and being an astrologer would pay the bills. <Nobody is suggesting that
there be no welfare programs. Shit happens and sometimes people need a hand out
for a *short* time to get their act together. Unfortunately, there are people
that will never have the ability to take care of themselves or have completely
lost that ability but remedies for them are minimal because Shaneeka is flat
on her back pumping out little future criminals at everybody else's expense or
can't seem to make! it out of rehab. If you're poor in America, it sure is
most likely your fault.< I'm all for ending any kind of corporate welfare. But
at the same time, their taxes need to be kept reasonable enough that they
would want to keep their profits here for reinvestment and expansion(more
jobs). They provide the jobs that pay income taxes as well as other taxes. Cut
the throat of the goose that lays the golden egg and all you're left with is a
dead goose. I could care less if a person is 100% greedy or altruistic, it's
his/her life, just play by the rules. Don't try justifying your own greed and
covetousness by telling me theirs is unhealthy and yours is *purely*
altruistic, thus good and righteous. They pay taxes, create and provide jobs
for millions of families that make their lives livable, if not abundant. They
do a hell of a lot more for society than the whiners and complainers that can't
seem to do jack- shit for themselves.
From: "olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 11:16 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Planets support Hillary!
Again, the welfare recipients are the victims of capitalism. Economic
models of capitalism always predict less than 100% employment. I recall the
"ideal" is around 95%, so for that unemployed 5%, they need some form of
assistance. Given the radical difference in access to education and services
between the wealthy and the poor, it is nearly impossible to rise out of
poverty, no matter what, so this may span generations.
Again, it is not the fault of the poor, but rather the blindly greedy, who
see only exploitable numbers when they look at a population. You sound as if
you have bought into the social fiction that people want to be poor. They do
not, even with the paltry amounts that welfare pays.
Rather than do away with welfare for the poor, let's begin by eliminating
welfare for the rich. Much is made by these folks about the amount of taxes
they pay relative to the rest of the country. However, the amount they pay,
relative to their wealth, is a pittance, and they should all be deeply
ashamed of themselves. There is no benefit to the class war they have started
and it will end badly for them - not in terms of some grand revolution, but
simply their increasingly bad karma.
Read the news carefully regarding the greediest members of our society, and
you find that despite enormous wealth, many of their lives are stressful,
unhealthy, and short. Money cannot buy happiness, only comfy distractions.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :
So, I guess that you would agree that welfare/ public assistance should
not be a *lifestyle*, from one generation to another, but temporary.
From: "olliesedwuz@...[FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 12:28 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Planets support Hillary!
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <awoelflebater@...> wrote :
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :
If something is worth having, it's worth working for. That would include
economic equality and opportunity. Should a high school drop out have the same
economic opportunities that someone with a PHD has? Should a person with no
more ability to flip a burger earn as much as a brain surgeon? It could
happen, but they better have something to offer that is in high demand. I can
honestly say that I've earned everything I've got. Had I been more ambitious,I
could have had more than I have now. I'm not complaining.
You are assuming that hard work equals reward commensurate with effort
exerted. Not so. It would be so simple if that were the case. Many, many
people literally work their asses off and have no home, very little food to
eat and live in rags. The world does not work like how you think it works.
There is inequality with regard to race, gender and class that takes its toll
on millions of people. I have known a number of well-heeled individuals who
like to recline back in their easy chairs, glance around at their paneled,
ornate living rooms while sipping 25 year old tawny port and smugly assert
that if everyone was just willing to work hard they could enjoy the advantages
that they enjoy. Bullshit.
Knocked that one out of the park. It doesn't take any esteemed values, such
as compassion and equality, to make a lot of money. No one is saying give it
back, but own up to what got you there. In these times, due to the leverage of
tech, money buys more influence than it ever has. Unfortunately, many use that
as an excuse to become ever richer, c! onsequences be damned. The rich DO get
richer and the poor get poorer.
This crap about people wanting to lie around on welfare, vs. having
productive and meaningful jobs is propaganda put out by those who have already
shipped many of the middle class jobs outside the US. Blame the victim.
From: "Bhairitu noozguru@... [FairfieldLife]"
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 7:57 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Planets support Hillary!
Capitalism promotes greed and inequality. Socialism provides equality
and equal opportunity. How's that inequality workin' out for ya?
On 10/21/2015 05:44 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:
Capitalism creates wealth, socialism just redistributes it.
From: "Bhairitu noozguru@... [FairfieldLife]"
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Planets support Hillary!
Theproblem with capitalism is that sooner or later you run out of other
people's money too. Then everybody is broke. What's your point?
On 10/21/2015 05:00 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:
Theproblem with socialism is, that sooner or later, you run out of other
people's money.
From: "Bhairitu noozguru@... [FairfieldLife]"
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Planets support Hillary!
What's happening is that the dems are freaked by the traction Bernie
Sanders is getting. He's also popular with millennials who could swing the
vote. I also have a theory Sanders is the reason Trump jumped into the race.
So it could be an election of democratic socialism vs corporatism. Thing is,
the US needs some socialism to balance things. All corporatists care about is
making lots and lots of money and the public be damned.
I've listened to Sanders on Thom Hartmann's show for years and he is a very
reasonable person so it won't be the new Soviet Union by a any means. Hillary
is too "status quo" with lots of skeletons in her closet.
On 10/21/2015 07:22 AM, hepa7@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:
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