FYI Mike, "we" did not chase the jobs overseas. Your vaunted capitalist
schmuck big business owners did. Yeah, labor is cheaper overseas
because people are treated like serfs. I thought we were over that
mindset a long time ago.
Now, some of this started because our educational system was lacking.
Back in the mid-1990s I was part of a consortium between Silicon Valley
and Hollywood. The latter was having problems hiring US workers to do
animation and CGI. They saw the problem that US colleges weren't
graduating anyone who knew those fields. Warner Brothers was only able
to find two candidates in the US in one year. They were even smart
about doing it because they hired a guy who had taught computer 3D
graphics to scour the landscape. FOX had to outsource The Simpsons
animation to Korea sometimes with disastrously hilarious results.
I laughed to myself because in the 1980s I headed a computer club and
knew the most high school and college art teachers were computer
phobic. Fat chance they would be able to teach these things. That is
until they learned they might lose their jobs. The actual solution was
NOT to hire artists who find CGI work boring but draftsmen used to
programs like AutoCAD.
We hired some Indian workers but only ones who had the kind of
experience we were looking for which at the time was rare. And we had
some former Soviet Block folks too. In the Soviet system they were
tested at a young age to see where their strengths lie and trained in
those areas. Hence a lot of your graphics you have on your computer
today were developed by former Soviet block immigrants who knew math
very, very well and how to create some tricks with algorithms. This
while US colleges were still teaching comp sci folks to program in
Fortran and worse yet Pascal when we needed C++ programmers for Windows.
Your vision would make the US look like polluted Bombay in the mid-1990s.
On 10/24/2015 11:25 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
wrote:
Dude, we've driven a large portion of our better jobs overseas.
Manufacturing is far cheaper overseas.Companies don't have to deal
with unions, Obamacare , OSHA, EPA and any other costly regulation,
including, permits, litigation and law suits and taxation at
exorbitant rates overseas.Due to the cost of doing business in the US
, it's far cheaper to go over seas and manufacture and ship it back
and be able to sell a product at a rate most people can afford to pay.
That's why we don't have *enough* jobs. In order to create our own
*worker's paradise* we chased the jobs out of here.
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*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Saturday, October 24, 2015 11:11 AM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Planets support Hillary!
Wow Mike, break your Enter key again? Wall of words posts don't get read.
Your ideology is stuck in the 1980s ... of mainland China.
I've worked in the tech sector for years and still do a bit of part
time contract work. I know lots of well educated, well experienced
people who cannot find work because they are considered TOO OLD! Yet
the dummies who lucked out and have WAY TOO MUCH MONEY prefer to
either 1) hire young kids with only theoretical college knowledge or
2) scream there are not enough H1B Visas so they can hire cheap labor
from abroad who most also have theoretical knowledge. It's no wonder
these tech companies come and go as they produce crap products.
The simple reality is there are too few jobs. And there are too few
jobs because there is less that needs to be done. The solution is one
you hate but being implemented in other countries and was even pushed
by non-other than the Nixon administration in the early 1970s: a
guaranteed basic income.
But it won't happen in Amerika. Instead things will get more and more
out of whack until the people have had enough and burn the place to
the ground so we can start over again.
On 10/24/2015 07:56 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com
<mailto:mdixon.6...@yahoo.com> [FairfieldLife] wrote:
Victim mentality! It's not my fault, it's somebody else's fault! It's
the systems fault! But never mine! The 4-5% unemployment you refer to
is supposed to account for those in between jobs,those that have quit
or been fired or returning to school or job training to increase
their skills to get a better job. We have 20-30 million people that
illegally immigrated to take jobs, undercutting themselves and
citizens thus driving down wages that could be paid to citizens,
causing more dependence on social programs. But hey, they're cheap
labor, they'd make great victims to vote for our party and they pay
SS at their jobs that they can't receive(unless they vote for our
party to remedy) thus bailing out the decline of SS contributions.<
If you live in the United States, are able bodied and relatively
sound mind and you are poor, more than likely, it is your own fault,
due to poor choices you have made in life. Maybe you dropped out of
school too early, got pregnant, joined a gang, got involved in drugs,
had a generally shitty attitude or appearance that no employer wants
to put up with, went to jail or prison for criminal activity, thus
nobody wants to hire. Maybe your just fucking lazy, spoiled, never
learned personal responsibility and don't feel you could take care of
yourself. Maybe you dropped out of society so you could seek
*enlightenment*or thought reading palms and being an astrologer would
pay the bills. <Nobody is suggesting that there be no welfare
programs. Shit happens and sometimes people need a hand out for a
*short* time to get their act together. Unfortunately, there are
people that will never have the ability to take care of themselves or
have completely lost that ability but remedies for them are minimal
because Shaneeka is flat on her back pumping out little future
criminals at everybody else's expense or can't seem to make! it out
of rehab. If you're poor in America, it sure is most likely your
fault.< I'm all for ending any kind of corporate welfare. But at the
same time, their taxes need to be kept reasonable enough that they
would want to keep their profits here for reinvestment and
expansion(more jobs). They provide the jobs that pay income taxes as
well as other taxes. Cut the throat of the goose that lays the golden
egg and all you're left with is a dead goose. I could care less if a
person is 100% greedy or altruistic, it's his/her life, just play by
the rules. Don't try justifying your own greed and covetousness by
telling me theirs is unhealthy and yours is *purely* altruistic, thus
good and righteous. They pay taxes, create and provide jobs for
millions of families that make their lives livable, if not abundant.
They do a hell of a lot more for society than the whiners and
complainers that can't seem to do jack- shit for themselves.
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*Sent:* Friday, October 23, 2015 11:16 PM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Planets support Hillary!
Again, the welfare recipients are the victims of capitalism. Economic
models of capitalism always predict less than 100% employment. I
recall the "ideal" is around 95%, so for that unemployed 5%, they
need some form of assistance. Given the radical difference in access
to education and services between the wealthy and the poor, it is
nearly impossible to rise out of poverty, no matter what, so this may
span generations.
Again, it is not the fault of the poor, but rather the blindly
greedy, who see only exploitable numbers when they look at a
population. You sound as if you have bought into the social fiction
that people want to be poor. They do not, even with the paltry
amounts that welfare pays.
Rather than do away with welfare for the poor, let's begin by
eliminating welfare for the rich. Much is made by these folks about
the amount of taxes they pay relative to the rest of the country.
However, the amount they pay, relative to their wealth, is a
pittance, and they should all be deeply ashamed of themselves. There
is no benefit to the class war they have started and it will end
badly for them - not in terms of some grand revolution, but simply
their increasingly bad karma.
Read the news carefully regarding the greediest members of our
society, and you find that despite enormous wealth, many of their
lives are stressful, unhealthy, and short. Money cannot buy
happiness, only comfy distractions.
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<mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>, <mdixon.6569@...>
<mailto:mdixon.6569@...> wrote :
So, I guess that you would agree that welfare/ public assistance
should not be a *lifestyle*, from one generation to another, but
temporary.
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*Sent:* Friday, October 23, 2015 12:28 AM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Planets support Hillary!
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<mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>, <mdixon.6569@...>
<mailto:mdixon.6569@...> wrote :
If something is worth having, it's worth working for. That would
include economic equality and opportunity. Should a high school drop
out have the same economic opportunities that someone with a PHD has?
Should a person with no more ability to flip a burger earn as much as
a brain surgeon? It could happen, but they better have something to
offer that is in high demand. I can honestly say that I've earned
everything I've got. Had I been more ambitious,I could have had more
than I have now. I'm not complaining.
You are assuming that hard work equals reward commensurate with
effort exerted. Not so. It would be so simple if that were the case.
Many, many people literally work their asses off and have no home,
very little food to eat and live in rags. The world does not work
like how you think it works. There is inequality with regard to race,
gender and class that takes its toll on millions of people. I have
known a number of well-heeled individuals who like to recline back in
their easy chairs, glance around at their paneled, ornate living
rooms while sipping 25 year old tawny port and smugly assert that if
everyone was just willing to work hard they could enjoy the
advantages that they enjoy. Bullshit.
Knocked that one out of the park. It doesn't take any esteemed
values, such as compassion and equality, to make a lot of money. No
one is saying give it back, but own up to what got you there. In
these times, due to the leverage of tech, money buys more influence
than it ever has. Unfortunately, many use that as an excuse to become
ever richer, c! onsequences be damned. The rich DO get richer and the
poor get poorer.
This crap about people wanting to lie around on welfare, vs. having
productive and meaningful jobs is propaganda put out by those who
have already shipped many of the middle class jobs outside the US.
Blame the victim.
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<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> <mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 21, 2015 7:57 PM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Planets support Hillary!
Capitalism promotes greed and inequality. Socialism provides equality
and equal opportunity. How's that inequality workin' out for ya?
On 10/21/2015 05:44 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@...
<mailto:mdixon.6569@...> [FairfieldLife] wrote:
Capitalism creates wealth, socialism just redistributes it.
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[FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 21, 2015 7:37 PM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Planets support Hillary!
The problem with capitalism is that sooner or later you
run out of other people's money too. Then everybody is
broke. What's your point?
On 10/21/2015 05:00 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@...
<mailto:mdixon.6569@...> [FairfieldLife] wrote:
The problem with socialism is, that sooner or later,
you run out of other people's money.
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[FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 21, 2015 5:07 PM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Planets support Hillary!
What's happening is that the dems are freaked by the
traction Bernie Sanders is getting. He's also popular
with millennials who could swing the vote. I also have
a theory Sanders is the reason Trump jumped into the
race. So it could be an election of democratic
socialism vs corporatism. Thing is, the US needs some
socialism to balance things. All corporatists care
about is making lots and lots of money and the public
be damned.
I've listened to Sanders on Thom Hartmann's show for
years and he is a very reasonable person so it won't be
the new Soviet Union by a any means. Hillary is too
"status quo" with lots of skeletons in her closet.
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[FairfieldLife] wrote:
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